Re: george question about work you did for me

> how about invading him

Freudian slip ?



"Mr. HPT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> Bull shit magician. Mill has not measured or evaluated ports until I call
> him and ask him to do it for the record.  Quit hiding behind his name, if
> you so sure about his statement to you, how about invading him to post
> response in person on this NG, it will never happen because he would never
> make such a foolish remark as you like for us to believe. His measurements
> are exact as that of the original port time area designed and ported by
this
> tuner. I ask Miller if cylinder in his possession is ported? Yes it is
> ported was his reply. You are conniving slick sales man, if there was at
> least minute amount of decency in you, you would apologize and quit making
> fool out of man who helps you to survive in your busines. My offer still
> stands. Sent cylinder to Harry or Giz for port time evaluation be for
boring
> job, or to any shop that can do port flow evaluation. If it dos not
> correspond to my posted data I will refund money  to Douglas and ship him
> new cylinder.
>
> "W.S. O'Neal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Geogre,
> > That is a total lie.  Mel told me exactly what he found.
> >
> > You are so full of BS you believe it yourself.
> >
> > Bill O'Neal
> > WCM
> > "Mr. HPT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Bill I talk to Miller, he never said anything about cylinder porting
to
> > you
> > > or any one else. I never had any problem with Miller period. Quit your
> > > unfounded remarks. As far as Harry is concerned I did not attack him,
he
> > is
> > > the one who begun his accusations towards me and my son Mark That
record
> > is
> > > available in one of the PWCI magazines.
> > > Ironically it has to do with identical subject involved in this tread,
a
> > > flow bench work.
> > > Even so I do not have any hard feelings against Harry.
> > > Look at the beginning of this ongoing tread, I did not do a single
thing
> > to
> > > provoke these arguments. It was you who misdirected my customer, it
was
> > you
> > > who could not wait  to smear my name again. If you had the brain
> capacity
> > to
> > > evaluate my porting work you would never suggested or even think of
> > getting
> > > involved with this mass. Bill you are double face ugly dude..
> > > I'm going to respect wishes of my customer, this subject is finished,
> pick
> > > up cylinder from Miller and ship it to my shop, and when you make
extra
> > > money sent it to me as well. I will return your 920 master peace top
end
> > > which you rip me off at the rate of $ 2000.00. Just do it and I will
> > pretend
> > > that you do not exist.
> > > GJG
> > >
> > > "W.S. O'Neal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >
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> > > > George,
> > > > I did not "supply Douglas with bogus information" from a visual
> > inspection
> > > > that I made. I told him what Mel told me after he looked at the
> clyinder
> > > and
> > > > called me.
> > > >
> > > > Again, you continue to mix the facts with your version of the truth.
> You
> > > to
> > > > continue to lie to the people here to make yourself look good and
try
> to
> > > > discredit me and  others.
> > > >
> > > > Why do you continue to act like a child ?
> > > >
> > > > Truth is, you know very little about what the rest of this industry
is
> > > > doing, or is capable of doing. You don't know me, Harry, Mel and the
> > many
> > > > others you continue to put down.
> > > >
> > > > It is sad to see a talented man, such as yourself, stooping to such
> low
> > > > levels to promote yourself and your business.
> > > >
> > > > Here are the facts. Try to comphrend them.
> > > >
> > > > I relayed a message to Douglas from Mel.
> > > > Watercraft Magic is not charging Douglas a dime.
> > > >
> > > > Those two facts alone blow all of your last several remarks about me
> and
> > > my
> > > > involvement in this deal clean out of the water. You fabricated in
> your
> > > > twisted mind all of what you are blaming me for.
> > > > You are pathetic. Go see a shrink, before it is too late. I still
hold
> > out
> > > > hope for you.
> > > >
> > > > Your best friend on the west coast,
> > > > Bill O'Neal
> > > > WCM
> > > > "Mr. HPT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Carpenter. You cannot even begin to comprehend basics in fine art
of
> > > flow
> > > > > bench work. If you had any brains you would never supplied bogus
> data
> > to
> > > > > Douglas based on your ability to evaluated port work by looking at
> it.
> > > Yes
> > > > > sir  you are first class magician that's for sure. Cow that makes
> lots
> > > > noise
> > > > > produces small quantity of milk. Go back and bull shit people at
> your
> > > > > exclusive private news group center, this place has nothing to
offer
> > for
> > > > man
> > > > > of your qualifications who has to run round town like a delivery
boy
> > > > looking
> > > > > for machine shop to bore a cylinders. How many times Miller told
you
> > to
> > > > keep
> > > > > your mouth shot?
> > > > > Billy you are not only homely outside, you are ugly inside even
> more.
> > > > > How in the world your wife puts up with you and your porno
pictures,
> I
> > > > will
> > > > > newer understand
> > > > >
> > > > > "W.S. O'Neal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > >
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> > > > > > George,
> > > > > > The only thing obivious is that your customer has asked for
> another
> > > > > opinion,
> > > > > > which he got.
> > > > > > You obiviously know nothing of my experences in engine building,
> > flow
> > > > > > testing, tuning or anything else.
> > > > > > It is VERY obivious that you will say something about someone
> > whenever
> > > > it
> > > > > > suits your purposes, no matter if it is truth or fiction.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Huff and puff, beat your chest all you want, you are still a
> little
> > > gas
> > > > > stopes very litl
> > > > > > on the big map that makes up the powersports world. You might
try
> > > > > conversing
> > > > > > without all the name calling and finger pointing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bill O'Neal
> > > > > > WCM
> > > > > > "Mr. HPT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > Hammer boy. It is obvious that you have no experience what so
> ever
> > > in
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > art of flow bench work. There are many idiots like you in this
> > > > business
> > > > > > who
> > > > > > > think that bigger hole makes more power. Not so, flow rate
true
> > the
> > > > port
> > > > > > > begins at the cylinder bottom , it's velocity and direction of
> > flow
> > > is
> > > > > > > determined along the entire port surface, roof of the port,
> > > horizontal
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > vertical angles, not at the port opening alone. Write this
down
> > and
> > > > try
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > understand what it means, you  skinny dipstick Transfer port
> > opening
> > > > or
> > > > > > > timing determines blow down area which sets the tone for a
power
> > > band
> > > > > > width,
> > > > > > > upper and lower rpm range of engine and operating parameters
of
> > > tuned
> > > > > > pipe.
> > > > > > > Obviously you do not have a clue what it means when I said
that
> > the
> > > > > > transfer
> > > > > > > ports set up on this engine at 3600 rpm wide, low 4900 high
> 8500.
> > > How
> > > > > fast
> > > > > > > do you spin your crank tricky dickey? How many 951 engines you
> see
> > > > > turning
> > > > > > > 8500 rpm? As far as exhaust timing is concerned it is way up
on
> > > this
> > > > > > > monster to begin with. Some OEM cylinders set at 200 degree
> > duration
> > > > at
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > factory. How much more timing you think this engine can handle
> if
> > > > > customer
> > > > > > > requests lasting power plant and wants to run it on pump fuel.
> > Read
> > > my
> > > > > > > response again you jerk. Exhaust Port Time Area as it was set
up
> > in
> > > my
> > > > > > shop
> > > > > > > was good  @ 7450 rpm. With additional base gasket sandwich
this
> > > > cylinder
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > ready for serious racing at much higher rpm. How many all out
> race
> > > > > machine
> > > > > > > run on pump fuel in your neck of the woods? Your brain is so
> > warped
> > > > that
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > cant see straight lines any more. Douglas requested
compression
> > > ratio
> > > > > set
> > > > > > up
> > > > > > > for pump gas, that is what he received. All out race engine
> > > requires,
> > > > > > higher
> > > > > > > octane fuel and change in compression ratio, where have you
bin
> > > > > carpenter?
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > had his head in my shop to do so. For reason unknown to me he
> ask
> > to
> > > > > send
> > > > > > > that head back. That is all I know. Now regarding stupid
remark
> > made
> > > > at
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > top of this post by people who graduated from same alley shop
as
> > you
> > > > > did.
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > say this. If you guys do not have the knowledge regarding port
> > > timing,
> > > > > > port
> > > > > > > time area, and do not understand how this is tied to  a horse
> > power
> > > > and
> > > > > > > tuned system, keep you ignorant remarks to your self. I have
one
> > > > answer
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > morons like you.
> > > > > > > Bagger ports, mean nothing if entire system is not working
> > together.
> > > > You
> > > > > > can
> > > > > > > have exhaust ports big enough to stick you dumb head true it,
> and
> > > > > transfer
> > > > > > > cut bigger then your ass, it amounts to nothing, nada, zero,
in
> > such
> > > > > case
> > > > > > > power delivery will be determined by induction system size of
> the
> > > > > > carburetor
> > > > > > > and read cage or rotary valve duration.
> > > > > > > Scott I suggest that you go back to what you do best. Assemble
> > your
> > > > > > engines
> > > > > > > using professionally made parts, tuned it and enjoy some one
> > else's
> > > > > > knowlage
> > > > > > > which made  it all possible. As for you carpenter go back to
> > > removing
> > > > > PTO
> > > > > > > and Flywheels using pipe wrench and hammer. Sell after market
> > > products
> > > > > > which
> > > > > > > ware made by smarter people then you ever will be. When you
make
> > > > enough
> > > > > > > money, pleas send my $ 2000 dollars back for the 920  VE
> abortion
> > > you
> > > > > sold
> > > > > > > to me.
> > > > > > > Be good to Miller and SBT with out them you would have to go
> back
> > > > > building
> > > > > > > garages. Who knows it may happen sooner then you think. PS.
Even
> > > > guryla
> > > > > > can
> > > > > > > learn how to assemble simple two stroke motor. I give you a
> credit
> > > for
> > > > > > being
> > > > > > > the slickest  sales man in water craft business and good tuner
> as
> > > > well,
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > > to mansion the ugliest SOB on water and land. LOL
> > > > > > >  That is all, you dismissed.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > George Grabowski
> > > > > > > HPT Sport USA
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "W.S. O'Neal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > >
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Mr. HPT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > > Bill you are so fool of crap that you cant even see
clearly
> > any
> > > > > more.
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > call
> > > > > > > > > Miller to verify if the cylinder in his shop has HPT
serial
> > > number
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > it.
> > > > > > > > It
> > > > > > > > > did and it is the cylinder which I ported. I ask Miller if
> he
> > > made
> > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > evaluation as to port specification he said he did not. I
> also
> > > ask
> > > > > him
> > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > he
> > > > > > > > > made any remarks regarding porting work he said no.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So, just like I said, We made no performance comments about
> this
> > > > > > clyinder"
> > > > > > > > Where's the lie?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  Fallowing day I pull
> > > > > > > > > complete record of this job, I call Miller again and ask
him
> > if
> > > he
> > > > > > could
> > > > > > > > > measure ports, he said he will when time permits.
> > > > > > > > > Today he call me and provided measurements of the ports.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yes, He called me too.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Due to wear on cylinder he could not measure port height
> > > precisely
> > > > > > best
> > > > > > > he
> > > > > > > > > could do is to measure exhaust port height at it's tangent
> > point
> > > > > where
> > > > > > > > flat
> > > > > > > > > surface begins and at the bottom of the  port.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > His dimensions are from the cylinder top.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Exhaust port height  = 38.72 mm flat  and 39.44 mm to
> radius.
> > > > > > > > > 64.3 mm at widest point and 60.4 mm at main transfer
> opening.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Main transfers 62.64 mm from deck.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 5 th port  63.18 mm from deck.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Bottomline, is the exhaust port was widened 2mm and the main
> > boost
> > > > > port
> > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > raised up a bit and the rest was "shined up" with a sanding
> > wheel.
> > > A
> > > > > > > > recreational port job at best.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Don't worry about Douglas, by now he is beginning to
realize
> > > that
> > > > he
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > another victim of  self centered greedy carpenter.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What part of "WATERCRAFT MAGIC STANDS TO GAIN NO PROFIT" do
> you
> > > not
> > > > > > > > understand, George? Are you retarded?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Just who made the profit here? It seems Doug asked for "SS
> > closed
> > > > > course
> > > > > > > > porting" (see first post in this thread) and he got
> recreational
> > > > > > porting.
> > > > > > > > Did he pay for recreational porting? Do you know the
> difference?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Maybe that explains why we NEVER see HPT ported racers at
the
> > tech
> > > > > tent
> > > > > > > > after a race......
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Give it a rest you blowhard. BTW, Doug aploigized to me this
> > > morning
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > > dragging me back into your BS web.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Bill O'Neal
> > > > > > > > WCM
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "W.S. O'Neal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
message
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > > > George,
> > > > > > > > > > You have become a delusional old man in your retirment.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > There was no "conspiracy" against HPT Sport from me,
Doug
> or
> > > > > Miller.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The fact is that Doug wanted an "evalaution" done on his
> > > > clyinder,
> > > > > > so
> > > > > > > he
> > > > > > > > > > asked me to forward it to Mel to have him check it out.
> Mel
> > > told
> > > > > me
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > he
> > > > > > > > > > looked at it and saw no great amount of porting had been
> > done.
> > > > He
> > > > > > said
> > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > appeared that you had "shined up the ports some". He
said
> > the
> > > > > > clyinder
> > > > > > > > had
> > > > > > > > > > several thousandths of taper and one hole was several
> > > > thousandths
> > > > > > > larger
> > > > > > > > > > than the other. He said it needed to be bored. Nothing
> more,
> > > > > nothing
> > > > > > > > less.
> > > > > > > > > > He did not comment on the performance capabilities of
the
> > > > > clyinder,
> > > > > > > nor
> > > > > > > > > did
> > > > > > > > > > I comment on the performance capabilities of this
clyinder
> > in
> > > > > > question
> > > > > > > > > when
> > > > > > > > > > I emailed Doug. I told Doug that if he wanted it ported
> for
> > > > > racing,
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > > cost $500.00 to have Mel do it right. I also told him to
> > send
> > > > his
> > > > > > new
> > > > > > > > > > pistons so that it could be bored and honed.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > If you think using Miller's machine shop is somehow a
bad
> > > thing,
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > sorely mistaken. His work is excellent. Watercraft Magic
> has
> > > > > always
> > > > > > > been
> > > > > > > > > > about providing excellent racing engines to our
customers.
> > To
> > > do
> > > > > > that,
> > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > CHOOSE to use the best machinist in the business. Unlike
> > you,
> > > > Mel
> > > > > > does
> > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > use an old Bridgeport for boring clyinders, and he does
> not
> > > use
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > handheld
> > > > > > > > > > hone for honing. He uses the best German boring bar
made,
> > and
> > > a
> > > > > > Sunnen
> > > > > > > > > > precision honing machine for the finish touches to his
> > > > clyinders.
> > > > > > His
> > > > > > > > > lathe
> > > > > > > > > > is not some Chinese POS like yours. Personally, I have
to
> > > wonder
> > > > > if
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > taper and the different bore sizes are from when you
> > machined
> > > it
> > > > > or
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > came afterward. I will not speculate on that though, as
> this
> > > > > > clyinder
> > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > done almost three years ago, so I will give you the
> benefit
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > doubt,
> > > > > > > > > > even knowing what type of equiptment you have to work
> with.
> > > > > > > > > > My customers' clyinders that I have him (Miller)
machine,
> > bore
> > > > and
> > > > > > > port
> > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > me are sitting right on the bench next to several
> clyinders
> > > from
> > > > > > Team
> > > > > > > > > > Kawasaki Racing. In fact, most of the top racing teams
in
> > the
> > > > > world
> > > > > > > use
> > > > > > > > > > Miller for their machining and porting. For you to say
> that
> > > > > > Watercraft
> > > > > > > > > Magic
> > > > > > > > > > is somwhow less than good for using Miller Two Stroke
> > > > Engineering
> > > > > as
> > > > > > > > it's
> > > > > > > > > > machine shop, and eluding to the fact that it would be
> > better
> > > to
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > HPT
> > > > > > > > > > hack out a bunch of crap from a trailer is ludricrious,
at
> > > best.
> > > > > It
> > > > > > > > really
> > > > > > > > > > shows just how out of touch with reality that you are.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Nobody told Doug that your porting job was "bad". In
fact,
> > > after
> > > > > > > reading
> > > > > > > > > > these posts here, I can't even find where Doug said it
was
> > > bad.
> > > > > You
> > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > one who has jumped to conclusions, and are spouting the
> > normal
> > > > > crap
> > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > how bad my work is and how great you are. I certainly
> > wouldn't
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > expected
> > > > > > > > > > anything less from you.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Doug asked what a REAL port job would cost him, and Mel
> said
> > > he
> > > > > > would
> > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > for $500.00. He also said he really did not want to
touch
> > this
> > > > > > > clyinder
> > > > > > > > > > because it has HPT engraved on the end of it. He said
> > "nothing
> > > > > good
> > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > become of this if George is involved", or something to
> that
> > > > > effect.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Now quit blowing smoke up everybody's ass, pounding on
> your
> > > > chest
> > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > > ape. Doug sent you a clyinder for porting, you charged
( I
> > > > assume)
> > > > > > him
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > minimal amount to port it, and he got a minimial porting
> job
> > > > done.
> > > > > > > > Period.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > There is no need to call him names, and there is no need
> to
> > > > start
> > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > BS
> > > > > > > > > > with me, either. You are not the center of the universe
> for
> > > many
> > > > > of
> > > > > > us
> > > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > you might think.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > No wonder you are in court spending your money on
defense
> > > > > > > > > lawyers..........
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > WCM stands to make no profit from sending that clyinder
to
> > > > Miller
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > evaulate for Doug.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Bill O'Neal
> > > > > > > > > > WCM
> > > > > > > > > > "Mr. HPT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > > > > Douglas. Are you suddenly became mentally retarded?
> What
> > > > > > happened?
> > > > > > > > You
> > > > > > > > > > fall
> > > > > > > > > > > off the ski and hit the river bottom. Go read your
> > original
> > > > > post.
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > > > > give crap what carpenter told you, he cant even bore
> your
> > > > > cylinder
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > his
> > > > > > > > > > > shop, and you believe in his ability to look at
cylinder
> > and
> > > > > > > evaluate
> > > > > > > > > port
> > > > > > > > > > > timing with his pipe wrench and hammer ?
> > > > > > > > > > > You sound and smell like used up useless old puss.
> > > > > > > > > > > And you want to race all out mod machine?
> > > > > > > > > > > Invest your time with your kid and your wife.
> > > > > > > > > > > "Blewbyou2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > > > > > also george what accusations did i make toward you ?
i
> > > dont
> > > > > > > remember
> > > > > > > > > > ever
> > > > > > > > > > > > making an accutation toward you , or your work , i
> came
> > on
> > > > > here
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > asked
> > > > > > > > > > > why I
> > > > > > > > > > > > was being TOLD something about my cylinder , and
> wanted
> > an
> > > > > > > > explination
> > > > > > > > > > > from you
> > > > > > > > > > > > ,as to why this person was telling me this.
> > > > > > > > > > > > that is not slander my good buddy .
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