Re: george question about work you did for me

Bull shit magician. Mill has not measured or evaluated ports until I call
him and ask him to do it for the record.  Quit hiding behind his name, if
you so sure about his statement to you, how about invading him to post
response in person on this NG, it will never happen because he would never
make such a foolish remark as you like for us to believe. His measurements
are exact as that of the original port time area designed and ported by this
tuner. I ask Miller if cylinder in his possession is ported? Yes it is
ported was his reply. You are conniving slick sales man, if there was at
least minute amount of decency in you, you would apologize and quit making
fool out of man who helps you to survive in your busines. My offer still
stands. Sent cylinder to Harry or Giz for port time evaluation be for boring
job, or to any shop that can do port flow evaluation. If it dos not
correspond to my posted data I will refund money  to Douglas and ship him
new cylinder.

"W.S. O'Neal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Geogre,
> That is a total lie.  Mel told me exactly what he found.
>
> You are so full of BS you believe it yourself.
>
> Bill O'Neal
> WCM
> "Mr. HPT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Bill I talk to Miller, he never said anything about cylinder porting  to
> you
> > or any one else. I never had any problem with Miller period. Quit your
> > unfounded remarks. As far as Harry is concerned I did not attack him, he
> is
> > the one who begun his accusations towards me and my son Mark That record
> is
> > available in one of the PWCI magazines.
> > Ironically it has to do with identical subject involved in this tread, a
> > flow bench work.
> > Even so I do not have any hard feelings against Harry.
> > Look at the beginning of this ongoing tread, I did not do a single thing
> to
> > provoke these arguments. It was you who misdirected my customer, it was
> you
> > who could not wait  to smear my name again. If you had the brain
capacity
> to
> > evaluate my porting work you would never suggested or even think of
> getting
> > involved with this mass. Bill you are double face ugly dude..
> > I'm going to respect wishes of my customer, this subject is finished,
pick
> > up cylinder from Miller and ship it to my shop, and when you make extra
> > money sent it to me as well. I will return your 920 master peace top end
> > which you rip me off at the rate of $ 2000.00. Just do it and I will
> pretend
> > that you do not exist.
> > GJG
> >
> > "W.S. O'Neal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > George,
> > > I did not "supply Douglas with bogus information" from a visual
> inspection
> > > that I made. I told him what Mel told me after he looked at the
clyinder
> > and
> > > called me.
> > >
> > > Again, you continue to mix the facts with your version of the truth.
You
> > to
> > > continue to lie to the people here to make yourself look good and try
to
> > > discredit me and  others.
> > >
> > > Why do you continue to act like a child ?
> > >
> > > Truth is, you know very little about what the rest of this industry is
> > > doing, or is capable of doing. You don't know me, Harry, Mel and the
> many
> > > others you continue to put down.
> > >
> > > It is sad to see a talented man, such as yourself, stooping to such
low
> > > levels to promote yourself and your business.
> > >
> > > Here are the facts. Try to comphrend them.
> > >
> > > I relayed a message to Douglas from Mel.
> > > Watercraft Magic is not charging Douglas a dime.
> > >
> > > Those two facts alone blow all of your last several remarks about me
and
> > my
> > > involvement in this deal clean out of the water. You fabricated in
your
> > > twisted mind all of what you are blaming me for.
> > > You are pathetic. Go see a shrink, before it is too late. I still hold
> out
> > > hope for you.
> > >
> > > Your best friend on the west coast,
> > > Bill O'Neal
> > > WCM
> > > "Mr. HPT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Carpenter. You cannot even begin to comprehend basics in fine art of
> > flow
> > > > bench work. If you had any brains you would never supplied bogus
data
> to
> > > > Douglas based on your ability to evaluated port work by looking at
it.
> > Yes
> > > > sir  you are first class magician that's for sure. Cow that makes
lots
> > > noise
> > > > produces small quantity of milk. Go back and bull shit people at
your
> > > > exclusive private news group center, this place has nothing to offer
> for
> > > man
> > > > of your qualifications who has to run round town like a delivery boy
> > > looking
> > > > for machine shop to bore a cylinders. How many times Miller told you
> to
> > > keep
> > > > your mouth shot?
> > > > Billy you are not only homely outside, you are ugly inside even
more.
> > > > How in the world your wife puts up with you and your porno pictures,
I
> > > will
> > > > newer understand
> > > >
> > > > "W.S. O'Neal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > George,
> > > > > The only thing obivious is that your customer has asked for
another
> > > > opinion,
> > > > > which he got.
> > > > > You obiviously know nothing of my experences in engine building,
> flow
> > > > > testing, tuning or anything else.
> > > > > It is VERY obivious that you will say something about someone
> whenever
> > > it
> > > > > suits your purposes, no matter if it is truth or fiction.
> > > > >
> > > > > Huff and puff, beat your chest all you want, you are still a
little
> > gas
> > > > stopes very litl
> > > > > on the big map that makes up the powersports world. You might try
> > > > conversing
> > > > > without all the name calling and finger pointing.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill O'Neal
> > > > > WCM
> > > > > "Mr. HPT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > Hammer boy. It is obvious that you have no experience what so
ever
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > > > art of flow bench work. There are many idiots like you in this
> > > business
> > > > > who
> > > > > > think that bigger hole makes more power. Not so, flow rate true
> the
> > > port
> > > > > > begins at the cylinder bottom , it's velocity and direction of
> flow
> > is
> > > > > > determined along the entire port surface, roof of the port,
> > horizontal
> > > > > and
> > > > > > vertical angles, not at the port opening alone. Write this down
> and
> > > try
> > > > to
> > > > > > understand what it means, you  skinny dipstick Transfer port
> opening
> > > or
> > > > > > timing determines blow down area which sets the tone for a power
> > band
> > > > > width,
> > > > > > upper and lower rpm range of engine and operating parameters of
> > tuned
> > > > > pipe.
> > > > > > Obviously you do not have a clue what it means when I said that
> the
> > > > > transfer
> > > > > > ports set up on this engine at 3600 rpm wide, low 4900 high
8500.
> > How
> > > > fast
> > > > > > do you spin your crank tricky dickey? How many 951 engines you
see
> > > > turning
> > > > > > 8500 rpm? As far as exhaust timing is concerned it is way up  on
> > this
> > > > > > monster to begin with. Some OEM cylinders set at 200 degree
> duration
> > > at
> > > > > the
> > > > > > factory. How much more timing you think this engine can handle
if
> > > > customer
> > > > > > requests lasting power plant and wants to run it on pump fuel.
> Read
> > my
> > > > > > response again you jerk. Exhaust Port Time Area as it was set up
> in
> > my
> > > > > shop
> > > > > > was good  @ 7450 rpm. With additional base gasket sandwich this
> > > cylinder
> > > > > is
> > > > > > ready for serious racing at much higher rpm. How many all out
race
> > > > machine
> > > > > > run on pump fuel in your neck of the woods? Your brain is so
> warped
> > > that
> > > > > you
> > > > > > cant see straight lines any more. Douglas requested compression
> > ratio
> > > > set
> > > > > up
> > > > > > for pump gas, that is what he received. All out race engine
> > requires,
> > > > > higher
> > > > > > octane fuel and change in compression ratio, where have you bin
> > > > carpenter?
> > > > > I
> > > > > > had his head in my shop to do so. For reason unknown to me he
ask
> to
> > > > send
> > > > > > that head back. That is all I know. Now regarding stupid remark
> made
> > > at
> > > > > the
> > > > > > top of this post by people who graduated from same alley shop as
> you
> > > > did.
> > > > > I
> > > > > > say this. If you guys do not have the knowledge regarding port
> > timing,
> > > > > port
> > > > > > time area, and do not understand how this is tied to  a horse
> power
> > > and
> > > > > > tuned system, keep you ignorant remarks to your self. I have one
> > > answer
> > > > to
> > > > > > morons like you.
> > > > > > Bagger ports, mean nothing if entire system is not working
> together.
> > > You
> > > > > can
> > > > > > have exhaust ports big enough to stick you dumb head true it,
and
> > > > transfer
> > > > > > cut bigger then your ass, it amounts to nothing, nada, zero, in
> such
> > > > case
> > > > > > power delivery will be determined by induction system size of
the
> > > > > carburetor
> > > > > > and read cage or rotary valve duration.
> > > > > > Scott I suggest that you go back to what you do best. Assemble
> your
> > > > > engines
> > > > > > using professionally made parts, tuned it and enjoy some one
> else's
> > > > > knowlage
> > > > > > which made  it all possible. As for you carpenter go back to
> > removing
> > > > PTO
> > > > > > and Flywheels using pipe wrench and hammer. Sell after market
> > products
> > > > > which
> > > > > > ware made by smarter people then you ever will be. When you make
> > > enough
> > > > > > money, pleas send my $ 2000 dollars back for the 920  VE
abortion
> > you
> > > > sold
> > > > > > to me.
> > > > > > Be good to Miller and SBT with out them you would have to go
back
> > > > building
> > > > > > garages. Who knows it may happen sooner then you think. PS. Even
> > > guryla
> > > > > can
> > > > > > learn how to assemble simple two stroke motor. I give you a
credit
> > for
> > > > > being
> > > > > > the slickest  sales man in water craft business and good tuner
as
> > > well,
> > > > > not
> > > > > > to mansion the ugliest SOB on water and land. LOL
> > > > > >  That is all, you dismissed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > George Grabowski
> > > > > > HPT Sport USA
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "W.S. O'Neal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > >
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Mr. HPT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > Bill you are so fool of crap that you cant even see clearly
> any
> > > > more.
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > call
> > > > > > > > Miller to verify if the cylinder in his shop has HPT serial
> > number
> > > > on
> > > > > > it.
> > > > > > > It
> > > > > > > > did and it is the cylinder which I ported. I ask Miller if
he
> > made
> > > > any
> > > > > > > > evaluation as to port specification he said he did not. I
also
> > ask
> > > > him
> > > > > > if
> > > > > > > he
> > > > > > > > made any remarks regarding porting work he said no.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So, just like I said, We made no performance comments about
this
> > > > > clyinder"
> > > > > > > Where's the lie?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  Fallowing day I pull
> > > > > > > > complete record of this job, I call Miller again and ask him
> if
> > he
> > > > > could
> > > > > > > > measure ports, he said he will when time permits.
> > > > > > > > Today he call me and provided measurements of the ports.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes, He called me too.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Due to wear on cylinder he could not measure port height
> > precisely
> > > > > best
> > > > > > he
> > > > > > > > could do is to measure exhaust port height at it's tangent
> point
> > > > where
> > > > > > > flat
> > > > > > > > surface begins and at the bottom of the  port.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > His dimensions are from the cylinder top.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Exhaust port height  = 38.72 mm flat  and 39.44 mm to
radius.
> > > > > > > > 64.3 mm at widest point and 60.4 mm at main transfer
opening.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Main transfers 62.64 mm from deck.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 5 th port  63.18 mm from deck.
> > > > > > >
> > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bottomline, is the exhaust port was widened 2mm and the main
> boost
> > > > port
> > > > > > was
> > > > > > > raised up a bit and the rest was "shined up" with a sanding
> wheel.
> > A
> > > > > > > recreational port job at best.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Don't worry about Douglas, by now he is beginning to realize
> > that
> > > he
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > another victim of  self centered greedy carpenter.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What part of "WATERCRAFT MAGIC STANDS TO GAIN NO PROFIT" do
you
> > not
> > > > > > > understand, George? Are you retarded?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Just who made the profit here? It seems Doug asked for "SS
> closed
> > > > course
> > > > > > > porting" (see first post in this thread) and he got
recreational
> > > > > porting.
> > > > > > > Did he pay for recreational porting? Do you know the
difference?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Maybe that explains why we NEVER see HPT ported racers at the
> tech
> > > > tent
> > > > > > > after a race......
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Give it a rest you blowhard. BTW, Doug aploigized to me this
> > morning
> > > > for
> > > > > > > dragging me back into your BS web.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bill O'Neal
> > > > > > > WCM
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "W.S. O'Neal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > >
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > > George,
> > > > > > > > > You have become a delusional old man in your retirment.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > There was no "conspiracy" against HPT Sport from me, Doug
or
> > > > Miller.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The fact is that Doug wanted an "evalaution" done on his
> > > clyinder,
> > > > > so
> > > > > > he
> > > > > > > > > asked me to forward it to Mel to have him check it out.
Mel
> > told
> > > > me
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > he
> > > > > > > > > looked at it and saw no great amount of porting had been
> done.
> > > He
> > > > > said
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > appeared that you had "shined up the ports some". He said
> the
> > > > > clyinder
> > > > > > > had
> > > > > > > > > several thousandths of taper and one hole was several
> > > thousandths
> > > > > > larger
> > > > > > > > > than the other. He said it needed to be bored. Nothing
more,
> > > > nothing
> > > > > > > less.
> > > > > > > > > He did not comment on the performance capabilities of the
> > > > clyinder,
> > > > > > nor
> > > > > > > > did
> > > > > > > > > I comment on the performance capabilities of this clyinder
> in
> > > > > question
> > > > > > > > when
> > > > > > > > > I emailed Doug. I told Doug that if he wanted it ported
for
> > > > racing,
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > cost $500.00 to have Mel do it right. I also told him to
> send
> > > his
> > > > > new
> > > > > > > > > pistons so that it could be bored and honed.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If you think using Miller's machine shop is somehow a bad
> > thing,
> > > > you
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > sorely mistaken. His work is excellent. Watercraft Magic
has
> > > > always
> > > > > > been
> > > > > > > > > about providing excellent racing engines to our customers.
> To
> > do
> > > > > that,
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > CHOOSE to use the best machinist in the business. Unlike
> you,
> > > Mel
> > > > > does
> > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > use an old Bridgeport for boring clyinders, and he does
not
> > use
> > > a
> > > > > > > handheld
> > > > > > > > > hone for honing. He uses the best German boring bar made,
> and
> > a
> > > > > Sunnen
> > > > > > > > > precision honing machine for the finish touches to his
> > > clyinders.
> > > > > His
> > > > > > > > lathe
> > > > > > > > > is not some Chinese POS like yours. Personally, I have to
> > wonder
> > > > if
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > taper and the different bore sizes are from when you
> machined
> > it
> > > > or
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > came afterward. I will not speculate on that though, as
this
> > > > > clyinder
> > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > done almost three years ago, so I will give you the
benefit
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > > doubt,
> > > > > > > > > even knowing what type of equiptment you have to work
with.
> > > > > > > > > My customers' clyinders that I have him (Miller) machine,
> bore
> > > and
> > > > > > port
> > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > me are sitting right on the bench next to several
clyinders
> > from
> > > > > Team
> > > > > > > > > Kawasaki Racing. In fact, most of the top racing teams in
> the
> > > > world
> > > > > > use
> > > > > > > > > Miller for their machining and porting. For you to say
that
> > > > > Watercraft
> > > > > > > > Magic
> > > > > > > > > is somwhow less than good for using Miller Two Stroke
> > > Engineering
> > > > as
> > > > > > > it's
> > > > > > > > > machine shop, and eluding to the fact that it would be
> better
> > to
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > HPT
> > > > > > > > > hack out a bunch of crap from a trailer is ludricrious, at
> > best.
> > > > It
> > > > > > > really
> > > > > > > > > shows just how out of touch with reality that you are.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Nobody told Doug that your porting job was "bad". In fact,
> > after
> > > > > > reading
> > > > > > > > > these posts here, I can't even find where Doug said it was
> > bad.
> > > > You
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > one who has jumped to conclusions, and are spouting the
> normal
> > > > crap
> > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > how bad my work is and how great you are. I certainly
> wouldn't
> > > > have
> > > > > > > > expected
> > > > > > > > > anything less from you.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Doug asked what a REAL port job would cost him, and Mel
said
> > he
> > > > > would
> > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > for $500.00. He also said he really did not want to touch
> this
> > > > > > clyinder
> > > > > > > > > because it has HPT engraved on the end of it. He said
> "nothing
> > > > good
> > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > become of this if George is involved", or something to
that
> > > > effect.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Now quit blowing smoke up everybody's ass, pounding on
your
> > > chest
> > > > > like
> > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > ape. Doug sent you a clyinder for porting, you charged ( I
> > > assume)
> > > > > him
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > minimal amount to port it, and he got a minimial porting
job
> > > done.
> > > > > > > Period.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > There is no need to call him names, and there is no need
to
> > > start
> > > > > your
> > > > > > > BS
> > > > > > > > > with me, either. You are not the center of the universe
for
> > many
> > > > of
> > > > > us
> > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > you might think.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > No wonder you are in court spending your money on defense
> > > > > > > > lawyers..........
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > WCM stands to make no profit from sending that clyinder to
> > > Miller
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > > evaulate for Doug.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Bill O'Neal
> > > > > > > > > WCM
> > > > > > > > > "Mr. HPT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > > > Douglas. Are you suddenly became mentally retarded?
What
> > > > > happened?
> > > > > > > You
> > > > > > > > > fall
> > > > > > > > > > off the ski and hit the river bottom. Go read your
> original
> > > > post.
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > > > give crap what carpenter told you, he cant even bore
your
> > > > cylinder
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > his
> > > > > > > > > > shop, and you believe in his ability to look at cylinder
> and
> > > > > > evaluate
> > > > > > > > port
> > > > > > > > > > timing with his pipe wrench and hammer ?
> > > > > > > > > > You sound and smell like used up useless old puss.
> > > > > > > > > > And you want to race all out mod machine?
> > > > > > > > > > Invest your time with your kid and your wife.
> > > > > > > > > > "Blewbyou2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > > > > also george what accusations did i make toward you ? i
> > dont
> > > > > > remember
> > > > > > > > > ever
> > > > > > > > > > > making an accutation toward you , or your work , i
came
> on
> > > > here
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > asked
> > > > > > > > > > why I
> > > > > > > > > > > was being TOLD something about my cylinder , and
wanted
> an
> > > > > > > explination
> > > > > > > > > > from you
> > > > > > > > > > > ,as to why this person was telling me this.
> > > > > > > > > > > that is not slander my good buddy .
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
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