Re: george question about work you did for me

Bill I talk to Miller, he never said anything about cylinder porting  to you
or any one else. I never had any problem with Miller period. Quit your
unfounded remarks. As far as Harry is concerned I did not attack him, he is
the one who begun his accusations towards me and my son Mark That record is
available in one of the PWCI magazines.
Ironically it has to do with identical subject involved in this tread, a
flow bench work.
Even so I do not have any hard feelings against Harry.
Look at the beginning of this ongoing tread, I did not do a single thing to
provoke these arguments. It was you who misdirected my customer, it was you
who could not wait  to smear my name again. If you had the brain capacity to
evaluate my porting work you would never suggested or even think of getting
involved with this mass. Bill you are double face ugly dude..
I'm going to respect wishes of my customer, this subject is finished, pick
up cylinder from Miller and ship it to my shop, and when you make extra
money sent it to me as well. I will return your 920 master peace top end
which you rip me off at the rate of $ 2000.00. Just do it and I will pretend
that you do not exist.
GJG

"W.S. O'Neal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> George,
> I did not "supply Douglas with bogus information" from a visual inspection
> that I made. I told him what Mel told me after he looked at the clyinder
and
> called me.
>
> Again, you continue to mix the facts with your version of the truth. You
to
> continue to lie to the people here to make yourself look good and try to
> discredit me and  others.
>
> Why do you continue to act like a child ?
>
> Truth is, you know very little about what the rest of this industry is
> doing, or is capable of doing. You don't know me, Harry, Mel and the many
> others you continue to put down.
>
> It is sad to see a talented man, such as yourself, stooping to such low
> levels to promote yourself and your business.
>
> Here are the facts. Try to comphrend them.
>
> I relayed a message to Douglas from Mel.
> Watercraft Magic is not charging Douglas a dime.
>
> Those two facts alone blow all of your last several remarks about me and
my
> involvement in this deal clean out of the water. You fabricated in your
> twisted mind all of what you are blaming me for.
> You are pathetic. Go see a shrink, before it is too late. I still hold out
> hope for you.
>
> Your best friend on the west coast,
> Bill O'Neal
> WCM
> "Mr. HPT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Carpenter. You cannot even begin to comprehend basics in fine art of
flow
> > bench work. If you had any brains you would never supplied bogus data to
> > Douglas based on your ability to evaluated port work by looking at it.
Yes
> > sir  you are first class magician that's for sure. Cow that makes lots
> noise
> > produces small quantity of milk. Go back and bull shit people at your
> > exclusive private news group center, this place has nothing to offer for
> man
> > of your qualifications who has to run round town like a delivery boy
> looking
> > for machine shop to bore a cylinders. How many times Miller told you to
> keep
> > your mouth shot?
> > Billy you are not only homely outside, you are ugly inside even more.
> > How in the world your wife puts up with you and your porno pictures, I
> will
> > newer understand
> >
> > "W.S. O'Neal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > George,
> > > The only thing obivious is that your customer has asked for another
> > opinion,
> > > which he got.
> > > You obiviously know nothing of my experences in engine building, flow
> > > testing, tuning or anything else.
> > > It is VERY obivious that you will say something about someone whenever
> it
> > > suits your purposes, no matter if it is truth or fiction.
> > >
> > > Huff and puff, beat your chest all you want, you are still a little
gas
> > stopes very litl
> > > on the big map that makes up the powersports world. You might try
> > conversing
> > > without all the name calling and finger pointing.
> > >
> > > Bill O'Neal
> > > WCM
> > > "Mr. HPT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Hammer boy. It is obvious that you have no experience what so ever
in
> > the
> > > > art of flow bench work. There are many idiots like you in this
> business
> > > who
> > > > think that bigger hole makes more power. Not so, flow rate true the
> port
> > > > begins at the cylinder bottom , it's velocity and direction of flow
is
> > > > determined along the entire port surface, roof of the port,
horizontal
> > > and
> > > > vertical angles, not at the port opening alone. Write this down and
> try
> > to
> > > > understand what it means, you  skinny dipstick Transfer port opening
> or
> > > > timing determines blow down area which sets the tone for a power
band
> > > width,
> > > > upper and lower rpm range of engine and operating parameters of
tuned
> > > pipe.
> > > > Obviously you do not have a clue what it means when I said that the
> > > transfer
> > > > ports set up on this engine at 3600 rpm wide, low 4900 high 8500.
How
> > fast
> > > > do you spin your crank tricky dickey? How many 951 engines you see
> > turning
> > > > 8500 rpm? As far as exhaust timing is concerned it is way up  on
this
> > > > monster to begin with. Some OEM cylinders set at 200 degree duration
> at
> > > the
> > > > factory. How much more timing you think this engine can handle if
> > customer
> > > > requests lasting power plant and wants to run it on pump fuel. Read
my
> > > > response again you jerk. Exhaust Port Time Area as it was set up in
my
> > > shop
> > > > was good  @ 7450 rpm. With additional base gasket sandwich this
> cylinder
> > > is
> > > > ready for serious racing at much higher rpm. How many all out race
> > machine
> > > > run on pump fuel in your neck of the woods? Your brain is so warped
> that
> > > you
> > > > cant see straight lines any more. Douglas requested compression
ratio
> > set
> > > up
> > > > for pump gas, that is what he received. All out race engine
requires,
> > > higher
> > > > octane fuel and change in compression ratio, where have you bin
> > carpenter?
> > > I
> > > > had his head in my shop to do so. For reason unknown to me he ask to
> > send
> > > > that head back. That is all I know. Now regarding stupid remark made
> at
> > > the
> > > > top of this post by people who graduated from same alley shop as you
> > did.
> > > I
> > > > say this. If you guys do not have the knowledge regarding port
timing,
> > > port
> > > > time area, and do not understand how this is tied to  a horse power
> and
> > > > tuned system, keep you ignorant remarks to your self. I have one
> answer
> > to
> > > > morons like you.
> > > > Bagger ports, mean nothing if entire system is not working together.
> You
> > > can
> > > > have exhaust ports big enough to stick you dumb head true it, and
> > transfer
> > > > cut bigger then your ass, it amounts to nothing, nada, zero, in such
> > case
> > > > power delivery will be determined by induction system size of the
> > > carburetor
> > > > and read cage or rotary valve duration.
> > > > Scott I suggest that you go back to what you do best. Assemble your
> > > engines
> > > > using professionally made parts, tuned it and enjoy some one else's
> > > knowlage
> > > > which made  it all possible. As for you carpenter go back to
removing
> > PTO
> > > > and Flywheels using pipe wrench and hammer. Sell after market
products
> > > which
> > > > ware made by smarter people then you ever will be. When you make
> enough
> > > > money, pleas send my $ 2000 dollars back for the 920  VE abortion
you
> > sold
> > > > to me.
> > > > Be good to Miller and SBT with out them you would have to go back
> > building
> > > > garages. Who knows it may happen sooner then you think. PS. Even
> guryla
> > > can
> > > > learn how to assemble simple two stroke motor. I give you a credit
for
> > > being
> > > > the slickest  sales man in water craft business and good tuner as
> well,
> > > not
> > > > to mansion the ugliest SOB on water and land. LOL
> > > >  That is all, you dismissed.
> > > >
> > > > George Grabowski
> > > > HPT Sport USA
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "W.S. O'Neal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >
> > > > > "Mr. HPT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > Bill you are so fool of crap that you cant even see clearly any
> > more.
> > > I
> > > > > call
> > > > > > Miller to verify if the cylinder in his shop has HPT serial
number
> > on
> > > > it.
> > > > > It
> > > > > > did and it is the cylinder which I ported. I ask Miller if he
made
> > any
> > > > > > evaluation as to port specification he said he did not. I also
ask
> > him
> > > > if
> > > > > he
> > > > > > made any remarks regarding porting work he said no.
> > > > >
> > > > > So, just like I said, We made no performance comments about this
> > > clyinder"
> > > > > Where's the lie?
> > > > >
> > > > >  Fallowing day I pull
> > > > > > complete record of this job, I call Miller again and ask him if
he
> > > could
> > > > > > measure ports, he said he will when time permits.
> > > > > > Today he call me and provided measurements of the ports.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, He called me too.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Due to wear on cylinder he could not measure port height
precisely
> > > best
> > > > he
> > > > > > could do is to measure exhaust port height at it's tangent point
> > where
> > > > > flat
> > > > > > surface begins and at the bottom of the  port.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > His dimensions are from the cylinder top.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Exhaust port height  = 38.72 mm flat  and 39.44 mm to radius.
> > > > > > 64.3 mm at widest point and 60.4 mm at main transfer opening.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Main transfers 62.64 mm from deck.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 5 th port  63.18 mm from deck.
> > > > >
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > Bottomline, is the exhaust port was widened 2mm and the main boost
> > port
> > > > was
> > > > > raised up a bit and the rest was "shined up" with a sanding wheel.
A
> > > > > recreational port job at best.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Don't worry about Douglas, by now he is beginning to realize
that
> he
> > > is
> > > > > just
> > > > > > another victim of  self centered greedy carpenter.
> > > > >
> > > > > What part of "WATERCRAFT MAGIC STANDS TO GAIN NO PROFIT" do you
not
> > > > > understand, George? Are you retarded?
> > > > >
> > > > > Just who made the profit here? It seems Doug asked for "SS closed
> > course
> > > > > porting" (see first post in this thread) and he got recreational
> > > porting.
> > > > > Did he pay for recreational porting? Do you know the difference?
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe that explains why we NEVER see HPT ported racers at the tech
> > tent
> > > > > after a race......
> > > > >
> > > > > Give it a rest you blowhard. BTW, Doug aploigized to me this
morning
> > for
> > > > > dragging me back into your BS web.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill O'Neal
> > > > > WCM
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "W.S. O'Neal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > >
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > George,
> > > > > > > You have become a delusional old man in your retirment.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There was no "conspiracy" against HPT Sport from me, Doug or
> > Miller.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The fact is that Doug wanted an "evalaution" done on his
> clyinder,
> > > so
> > > > he
> > > > > > > asked me to forward it to Mel to have him check it out. Mel
told
> > me
> > > > that
> > > > > > he
> > > > > > > looked at it and saw no great amount of porting had been done.
> He
> > > said
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > appeared that you had "shined up the ports some". He said the
> > > clyinder
> > > > > had
> > > > > > > several thousandths of taper and one hole was several
> thousandths
> > > > larger
> > > > > > > than the other. He said it needed to be bored. Nothing more,
> > nothing
> > > > > less.
> > > > > > > He did not comment on the performance capabilities of the
> > clyinder,
> > > > nor
> > > > > > did
> > > > > > > I comment on the performance capabilities of this clyinder in
> > > question
> > > > > > when
> > > > > > > I emailed Doug. I told Doug that if he wanted it ported for
> > racing,
> > > it
> > > > > > would
> > > > > > > cost $500.00 to have Mel do it right. I also told him to send
> his
> > > new
> > > > > > > pistons so that it could be bored and honed.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you think using Miller's machine shop is somehow a bad
thing,
> > you
> > > > are
> > > > > > > sorely mistaken. His work is excellent. Watercraft Magic has
> > always
> > > > been
> > > > > > > about providing excellent racing engines to our customers. To
do
> > > that,
> > > > I
> > > > > > > CHOOSE to use the best machinist in the business. Unlike you,
> Mel
> > > does
> > > > > not
> > > > > > > use an old Bridgeport for boring clyinders, and he does not
use
> a
> > > > > handheld
> > > > > > > hone for honing. He uses the best German boring bar made, and
a
> > > Sunnen
> > > > > > > precision honing machine for the finish touches to his
> clyinders.
> > > His
> > > > > > lathe
> > > > > > > is not some Chinese POS like yours. Personally, I have to
wonder
> > if
> > > > the
> > > > > > > taper and the different bore sizes are from when you machined
it
> > or
> > > > that
> > > > > > > came afterward. I will not speculate on that though, as this
> > > clyinder
> > > > > was
> > > > > > > done almost three years ago, so I will give you the benefit of
> the
> > > > > doubt,
> > > > > > > even knowing what type of equiptment you have to work with.
> > > > > > > My customers' clyinders that I have him (Miller) machine, bore
> and
> > > > port
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > me are sitting right on the bench next to several clyinders
from
> > > Team
> > > > > > > Kawasaki Racing. In fact, most of the top racing teams in the
> > world
> > > > use
> > > > > > > Miller for their machining and porting. For you to say that
> > > Watercraft
> > > > > > Magic
> > > > > > > is somwhow less than good for using Miller Two Stroke
> Engineering
> > as
> > > > > it's
> > > > > > > machine shop, and eluding to the fact that it would be better
to
> > > have
> > > > > HPT
> > > > > > > hack out a bunch of crap from a trailer is ludricrious, at
best.
> > It
> > > > > really
> > > > > > > shows just how out of touch with reality that you are.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nobody told Doug that your porting job was "bad". In fact,
after
> > > > reading
> > > > > > > these posts here, I can't even find where Doug said it was
bad.
> > You
> > > > are
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > one who has jumped to conclusions, and are spouting the normal
> > crap
> > > > > about
> > > > > > > how bad my work is and how great you are. I certainly wouldn't
> > have
> > > > > > expected
> > > > > > > anything less from you.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Doug asked what a REAL port job would cost him, and Mel said
he
> > > would
> > > > do
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > for $500.00. He also said he really did not want to touch this
> > > > clyinder
> > > > > > > because it has HPT engraved on the end of it. He said "nothing
> > good
> > > > can
> > > > > > > become of this if George is involved", or something to that
> > effect.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Now quit blowing smoke up everybody's ass, pounding on your
> chest
> > > like
> > > > > an
> > > > > > > ape. Doug sent you a clyinder for porting, you charged ( I
> assume)
> > > him
> > > > a
> > > > > > > minimal amount to port it, and he got a minimial porting job
> done.
> > > > > Period.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There is no need to call him names, and there is no need to
> start
> > > your
> > > > > BS
> > > > > > > with me, either. You are not the center of the universe for
many
> > of
> > > us
> > > > > > like
> > > > > > > you might think.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > No wonder you are in court spending your money on defense
> > > > > > lawyers..........
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > WCM stands to make no profit from sending that clyinder to
> Miller
> > to
> > > > > > > evaulate for Doug.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bill O'Neal
> > > > > > > WCM
> > > > > > > "Mr. HPT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > Douglas. Are you suddenly became mentally retarded?  What
> > > happened?
> > > > > You
> > > > > > > fall
> > > > > > > > off the ski and hit the river bottom. Go read your original
> > post.
> > > I
> > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > give crap what carpenter told you, he cant even bore your
> > cylinder
> > > > in
> > > > > > his
> > > > > > > > shop, and you believe in his ability to look at cylinder and
> > > > evaluate
> > > > > > port
> > > > > > > > timing with his pipe wrench and hammer ?
> > > > > > > > You sound and smell like used up useless old puss.
> > > > > > > > And you want to race all out mod machine?
> > > > > > > > Invest your time with your kid and your wife.
> > > > > > > > "Blewbyou2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > > also george what accusations did i make toward you ? i
dont
> > > > remember
> > > > > > > ever
> > > > > > > > > making an accutation toward you , or your work , i came on
> > here
> > > > and
> > > > > > > asked
> > > > > > > > why I
> > > > > > > > > was being TOLD something about my cylinder , and wanted an
> > > > > explination
> > > > > > > > from you
> > > > > > > > > ,as to why this person was telling me this.
> > > > > > > > > that is not slander my good buddy .
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