Re: george question about work you did for me

Carpenter. You cannot even begin to comprehend basics in fine art of flow
bench work. If you had any brains you would never supplied bogus data to
Douglas based on your ability to evaluated port work by looking at it. Yes
sir  you are first class magician that's for sure. Cow that makes lots noise
produces small quantity of milk. Go back and bull shit people at your
exclusive private news group center, this place has nothing to offer for man
of your qualifications who has to run round town like a delivery boy looking
for machine shop to bore a cylinders. How many times Miller told you to keep
your mouth shot?
Billy you are not only homely outside, you are ugly inside even more.
How in the world your wife puts up with you and your porno pictures, I will
newer understand

"W.S. O'Neal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> George,
> The only thing obivious is that your customer has asked for another
opinion,
> which he got.
> You obiviously know nothing of my experences in engine building, flow
> testing, tuning or anything else.
> It is VERY obivious that you will say something about someone whenever it
> suits your purposes, no matter if it is truth or fiction.
>
> Huff and puff, beat your chest all you want, you are still a little gas
stopes very litl
> on the big map that makes up the powersports world. You might try
conversing
> without all the name calling and finger pointing.
>
> Bill O'Neal
> WCM
> "Mr. HPT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Hammer boy. It is obvious that you have no experience what so ever in
the
> > art of flow bench work. There are many idiots like you in this business
> who
> > think that bigger hole makes more power. Not so, flow rate true the port
> > begins at the cylinder bottom , it's velocity and direction of flow is
> > determined along the entire port surface, roof of the port, horizontal
> and
> > vertical angles, not at the port opening alone. Write this down and try
to
> > understand what it means, you  skinny dipstick Transfer port opening or
> > timing determines blow down area which sets the tone for a power band
> width,
> > upper and lower rpm range of engine and operating parameters of tuned
> pipe.
> > Obviously you do not have a clue what it means when I said that the
> transfer
> > ports set up on this engine at 3600 rpm wide, low 4900 high 8500. How
fast
> > do you spin your crank tricky dickey? How many 951 engines you see
turning
> > 8500 rpm? As far as exhaust timing is concerned it is way up  on this
> > monster to begin with. Some OEM cylinders set at 200 degree duration at
> the
> > factory. How much more timing you think this engine can handle if
customer
> > requests lasting power plant and wants to run it on pump fuel. Read my
> > response again you jerk. Exhaust Port Time Area as it was set up in my
> shop
> > was good  @ 7450 rpm. With additional base gasket sandwich this cylinder
> is
> > ready for serious racing at much higher rpm. How many all out race
machine
> > run on pump fuel in your neck of the woods? Your brain is so warped that
> you
> > cant see straight lines any more. Douglas requested compression ratio
set
> up
> > for pump gas, that is what he received. All out race engine requires,
> higher
> > octane fuel and change in compression ratio, where have you bin
carpenter?
> I
> > had his head in my shop to do so. For reason unknown to me he ask to
send
> > that head back. That is all I know. Now regarding stupid remark made at
> the
> > top of this post by people who graduated from same alley shop as you
did.
> I
> > say this. If you guys do not have the knowledge regarding port timing,
> port
> > time area, and do not understand how this is tied to  a horse power and
> > tuned system, keep you ignorant remarks to your self. I have one answer
to
> > morons like you.
> > Bagger ports, mean nothing if entire system is not working together. You
> can
> > have exhaust ports big enough to stick you dumb head true it, and
transfer
> > cut bigger then your ass, it amounts to nothing, nada, zero, in such
case
> > power delivery will be determined by induction system size of the
> carburetor
> > and read cage or rotary valve duration.
> > Scott I suggest that you go back to what you do best. Assemble your
> engines
> > using professionally made parts, tuned it and enjoy some one else's
> knowlage
> > which made  it all possible. As for you carpenter go back to removing
PTO
> > and Flywheels using pipe wrench and hammer. Sell after market products
> which
> > ware made by smarter people then you ever will be. When you make enough
> > money, pleas send my $ 2000 dollars back for the 920  VE abortion you
sold
> > to me.
> > Be good to Miller and SBT with out them you would have to go back
building
> > garages. Who knows it may happen sooner then you think. PS. Even guryla
> can
> > learn how to assemble simple two stroke motor. I give you a credit for
> being
> > the slickest  sales man in water craft business and good tuner as well,
> not
> > to mansion the ugliest SOB on water and land. LOL
> >  That is all, you dismissed.
> >
> > George Grabowski
> > HPT Sport USA
> >
> >
> >
> > "W.S. O'Neal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > > "Mr. HPT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Bill you are so fool of crap that you cant even see clearly any
more.
> I
> > > call
> > > > Miller to verify if the cylinder in his shop has HPT serial number
on
> > it.
> > > It
> > > > did and it is the cylinder which I ported. I ask Miller if he made
any
> > > > evaluation as to port specification he said he did not. I also ask
him
> > if
> > > he
> > > > made any remarks regarding porting work he said no.
> > >
> > > So, just like I said, We made no performance comments about this
> clyinder"
> > > Where's the lie?
> > >
> > >  Fallowing day I pull
> > > > complete record of this job, I call Miller again and ask him if he
> could
> > > > measure ports, he said he will when time permits.
> > > > Today he call me and provided measurements of the ports.
> > >
> > > Yes, He called me too.
> > > >
> > > > Due to wear on cylinder he could not measure port height precisely
> best
> > he
> > > > could do is to measure exhaust port height at it's tangent point
where
> > > flat
> > > > surface begins and at the bottom of the  port.
> > > >
> > > > His dimensions are from the cylinder top.
> > > >
> > > > Exhaust port height  = 38.72 mm flat  and 39.44 mm to radius.
> > > > 64.3 mm at widest point and 60.4 mm at main transfer opening.
> > > >
> > > > Main transfers 62.64 mm from deck.
> > > >
> > > > 5 th port  63.18 mm from deck.
> > > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Bottomline, is the exhaust port was widened 2mm and the main boost
port
> > was
> > > raised up a bit and the rest was "shined up" with a sanding wheel. A
> > > recreational port job at best.
> > >
> > > > Don't worry about Douglas, by now he is beginning to realize that he
> is
> > > just
> > > > another victim of  self centered greedy carpenter.
> > >
> > > What part of "WATERCRAFT MAGIC STANDS TO GAIN NO PROFIT" do you not
> > > understand, George? Are you retarded?
> > >
> > > Just who made the profit here? It seems Doug asked for "SS closed
course
> > > porting" (see first post in this thread) and he got recreational
> porting.
> > > Did he pay for recreational porting? Do you know the difference?
> > >
> > > Maybe that explains why we NEVER see HPT ported racers at the tech
tent
> > > after a race......
> > >
> > > Give it a rest you blowhard. BTW, Doug aploigized to me this morning
for
> > > dragging me back into your BS web.
> > >
> > > Bill O'Neal
> > > WCM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > > "W.S. O'Neal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > George,
> > > > > You have become a delusional old man in your retirment.
> > > > >
> > > > > There was no "conspiracy" against HPT Sport from me, Doug or
Miller.
> > > > >
> > > > > The fact is that Doug wanted an "evalaution" done on his clyinder,
> so
> > he
> > > > > asked me to forward it to Mel to have him check it out. Mel told
me
> > that
> > > > he
> > > > > looked at it and saw no great amount of porting had been done. He
> said
> > > it
> > > > > appeared that you had "shined up the ports some". He said the
> clyinder
> > > had
> > > > > several thousandths of taper and one hole was several thousandths
> > larger
> > > > > than the other. He said it needed to be bored. Nothing more,
nothing
> > > less.
> > > > > He did not comment on the performance capabilities of the
clyinder,
> > nor
> > > > did
> > > > > I comment on the performance capabilities of this clyinder in
> question
> > > > when
> > > > > I emailed Doug. I told Doug that if he wanted it ported for
racing,
> it
> > > > would
> > > > > cost $500.00 to have Mel do it right. I also told him to send his
> new
> > > > > pistons so that it could be bored and honed.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you think using Miller's machine shop is somehow a bad thing,
you
> > are
> > > > > sorely mistaken. His work is excellent. Watercraft Magic has
always
> > been
> > > > > about providing excellent racing engines to our customers. To do
> that,
> > I
> > > > > CHOOSE to use the best machinist in the business. Unlike you, Mel
> does
> > > not
> > > > > use an old Bridgeport for boring clyinders, and he does not use a
> > > handheld
> > > > > hone for honing. He uses the best German boring bar made, and a
> Sunnen
> > > > > precision honing machine for the finish touches to his clyinders.
> His
> > > > lathe
> > > > > is not some Chinese POS like yours. Personally, I have to wonder
if
> > the
> > > > > taper and the different bore sizes are from when you machined it
or
> > that
> > > > > came afterward. I will not speculate on that though, as this
> clyinder
> > > was
> > > > > done almost three years ago, so I will give you the benefit of the
> > > doubt,
> > > > > even knowing what type of equiptment you have to work with.
> > > > > My customers' clyinders that I have him (Miller) machine, bore and
> > port
> > > > for
> > > > > me are sitting right on the bench next to several clyinders from
> Team
> > > > > Kawasaki Racing. In fact, most of the top racing teams in the
world
> > use
> > > > > Miller for their machining and porting. For you to say that
> Watercraft
> > > > Magic
> > > > > is somwhow less than good for using Miller Two Stroke Engineering
as
> > > it's
> > > > > machine shop, and eluding to the fact that it would be better to
> have
> > > HPT
> > > > > hack out a bunch of crap from a trailer is ludricrious, at best.
It
> > > really
> > > > > shows just how out of touch with reality that you are.
> > > > >
> > > > > Nobody told Doug that your porting job was "bad". In fact, after
> > reading
> > > > > these posts here, I can't even find where Doug said it was bad.
You
> > are
> > > > the
> > > > > one who has jumped to conclusions, and are spouting the normal
crap
> > > about
> > > > > how bad my work is and how great you are. I certainly wouldn't
have
> > > > expected
> > > > > anything less from you.
> > > > >
> > > > > Doug asked what a REAL port job would cost him, and Mel said he
> would
> > do
> > > > it
> > > > > for $500.00. He also said he really did not want to touch this
> > clyinder
> > > > > because it has HPT engraved on the end of it. He said "nothing
good
> > can
> > > > > become of this if George is involved", or something to that
effect.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now quit blowing smoke up everybody's ass, pounding on your chest
> like
> > > an
> > > > > ape. Doug sent you a clyinder for porting, you charged ( I assume)
> him
> > a
> > > > > minimal amount to port it, and he got a minimial porting job done.
> > > Period.
> > > > >
> > > > > There is no need to call him names, and there is no need to start
> your
> > > BS
> > > > > with me, either. You are not the center of the universe for many
of
> us
> > > > like
> > > > > you might think.
> > > > >
> > > > > No wonder you are in court spending your money on defense
> > > > lawyers..........
> > > > >
> > > > > WCM stands to make no profit from sending that clyinder to Miller
to
> > > > > evaulate for Doug.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill O'Neal
> > > > > WCM
> > > > > "Mr. HPT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > Douglas. Are you suddenly became mentally retarded?  What
> happened?
> > > You
> > > > > fall
> > > > > > off the ski and hit the river bottom. Go read your original
post.
> I
> > > > don't
> > > > > > give crap what carpenter told you, he cant even bore your
cylinder
> > in
> > > > his
> > > > > > shop, and you believe in his ability to look at cylinder and
> > evaluate
> > > > port
> > > > > > timing with his pipe wrench and hammer ?
> > > > > > You sound and smell like used up useless old puss.
> > > > > > And you want to race all out mod machine?
> > > > > > Invest your time with your kid and your wife.
> > > > > > "Blewbyou2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > also george what accusations did i make toward you ? i dont
> > remember
> > > > > ever
> > > > > > > making an accutation toward you , or your work , i came on
here
> > and
> > > > > asked
> > > > > > why I
> > > > > > > was being TOLD something about my cylinder , and wanted an
> > > explination
> > > > > > from you
> > > > > > > ,as to why this person was telling me this.
> > > > > > > that is not slander my good buddy .
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