Re: Base of Ball or Edge of Ball??

Fred;

OK, Fred.     "Above, Below, Inside, Outside, On, Behind, In-Front" !!!!
It's amuzing but confuzing isn't it??   Anyway I have appreciated
all the comments and viewpoints received from you and others
in regard to my question.

I now have enough, I think, to make a convincing argument within our
little group.    We will be using the BASE OF THE BALL.   And, a ball
"Exactly ON the head string" will be considered as;
1. "below" the head string,
2. "behind the head string,
3. "outside" the kitchen (whether it be an object ball or a cueball).
(Have I got all that right now ??   <chuckle>)

This, of course, means that no one can legally break from the head
spot but that's probably no biggy.

MY THANKS TO ALL WHO RESPONSED  !!!

McDave
--
/s/ David E. Nixon  in Maryland "A Faire Lande of Pleasant Living"
        http://www.carryingcapacity.org

"Fred Agnir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> "Nixon, D" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> > RATCHET;
> >
> > "It don't"  ?
> >
> > Then I can, legally, place the cueball just behind the line,
> > do a masse' on it, drive it ahead of the line at which time it
> > stops, reverses, and comes back to nudge the 8-Ball into
> > one of the head/corner pockets????
> > No, no, no........    I don't think so, my friend..   But thanks anyway.
> >
>
> If you're going to be playing by crazy rules that don't award a penalty on
a
> scratch, then your "I don't think so, my friend" is sort of ironic.
>
> That being said:
>
> There is a contradiction in rules. Rule 3.10 clearly states that the
cueball
> must contact a cushion before it comes back in the kitchen:
>
> " He may not shoot at any ball, the base of which is above the head
string,
> unless he first shoots the cue ball below the head string and then by
> hitting a rail causes the cue ball to come back above the head string and
> hit the object ball. "
>
> But Rule 3.39
>
> " When a player has the cue ball in hand behind the head string (in the
> kitchen), he must drive the cue ball to a point across the head string
> before it contacts either a cushion, an object ball, or returns to the
> kitchen..."
>
> Combining these two rules makes it unclear. The second seems to say that
> there is no specific contact other than a point across the head string
> before it returns to the kitchen. That seems to suggest a masse' out and
> back in is okay. However, it also say that hitting the cushion within the
> kitchen before driving the cueball out of the kitchen isn't okay. Does
that
> mean that a kick to the side rail that hits the cushion in the kitchen but
> contacts the ball out of the kitchen isn't legal? That doesn't seem right
> either. On the rare occassion that it's the only shot, I'd like to think
> it's within the rules.
>
> IMO, these two rules need to 100% agree. Personally, I don't agree with
the
> wording of 3.10.
>
> Fred
>
>