Re: Base of Ball or Edge of Ball??

Nixon, D wrote in message ...
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>Ray;
>Sorry, but you are ill informed on this subject

.
>All written rules I've ever observed state that any ball
>whose base is exactly ON the foul line must be considered to be
>WITHIN the kitchen since it CANNOT be OUTSIDE the kitchen.....
>
>I think that's a point that almost everyone can agree on.....

except for the people who have written the rules of play

this is clearly<even laboriously> explained on the BCA wweb site

HTH
Dale

>
>McDave
>--
>/s/ David E. Nixon  in Maryland "A Faire Lande of Pleasant Living"
>        http://www.carryingcapacity.org
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>"Ray Fichthorn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>> The rule states the cue ball MUST hit a rail "outside the kitchen" before
>contacting any ball "in
>> the kitchen"- so the shot you describe:
>>
>> \START(
>> %BL8P7%CJ7O4%DL8N2%Er6Z3%FK7P1%GK7N8%HM7N8%IL7O4%JK8M6%KJ7P7
>> %LJ7N2%MK7Q3%NJ7Q9%OJ7M0%Ph2Y2%Uf4C9%Vh0X9%_r1Y0%`n1Q3%af6C4
>> )END
>> Is legal....
>>
>>
>> this includes a ball whose edge is past the headstring (hanging out of
the
>kitchen). You cannot
>> shoot the ball like this:
>> START(
>> %BL8P7%CJ7O4%DL8N2%Eg9K2%FK7P1%GK7N8%HM7N8%IL7O4%JK8M6%KJ7P7
>> %LJ7N2%MK7Q3%NJ7Q9%OJ7M0%Ph2Y2%Ug1L2%Vh0X9%_r8D5%`m2G7%ah4J9
>> )END
>> You cannot LEGALLY pocket it in the corner... the cue ball MUST contact a
>rail before contacting the
>> object ball.
>>
>> Side Note: When the object (or any) ball is ON the headstring- it is
>considered "out" of the
>> kitchen. So, you cannot break, or shoot after a foul- by setting the
>cue-ball ON the headstring- It
>> MUST be placed behind it.
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> Nixon, D wrote:
>> > SactownTom;
>> >
>> >
>> > I thank you.     But, please let me know your opinion on:
>> > Player makes his last object ball but scratches which leaves
>> > only the 8-Ball left on the table and it is very near the
>> > left/head/corner pocket.   Can his opponent take the cueball
>> > behind the foul line, do an extreme right-spin shot to the right
>> > side cushion, but ahead of the foul line, and then coming back inside
>> > the foul line to legally make the 8-Ball in the left/head/corner??
>> >
>> > I like the above described kick shot about as much as a spot shot.
>> > But, the rule you quote below does not seem to address that.
>> > What's your opinion??
>> >
>> > McDave
>> >
>> > /s/ David E. Nixon  in Maryland "A Faire Lande of Pleasant Living"
>> >         http://www.carryingcapacity.org
>> >
>> > "SactownTom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >
>> >>From the BCA website. Sorry, no drawings.
>> >>
>> >>http://www.bca-pool.com/play/ under 'General Rules of Pocket Billiards'
>> >>3.10     CUE BALL IN HAND BEHIND THE HEAD STRING
>> >>This situation applies in specific games whereby the opening break is
>> >>administered or a player’s scratching is penalized by the incoming
>player
>> >>having cue ball in hand behind the head string. The incoming player may
>> >>place the cue ball anywhere behind the head string. The shooting player
>> >
>> > may
>> >
>> >>shoot at any object ball as long as the base of the object ball is on
or
>> >>below the head string. He may not shoot at any ball, the base of which
>is
>> >>above the head string,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>"Nixon, D" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>>Group;
>> >>>
>> >>>Does anyone know if there is a BCA rule as to whether the
>> >>>BASE of the ball or the EDGE/horizontal-equator of the ball
>> >>>is used to determine whether or not a ball is on, or behind,
>> >>>the line?
>> >>>
>> >>>We have an newguy oaf here who wants to make a big deal out
>> >>>of it and our group has been playing under accepted, and posted,
>> >>>house rules that the BASE of a ball is used and if the BASE is exactly
>> >>>on the foul line then it is considered behind the line for the
incoming
>> >>>player.
>> >>>
>> >>>The newguy claims that the "BOOK" (even though he cannot
>> >>>read and has no book) says that if the edge of the ball is behind
>> >>>the line then it is considered behind the line.  I've given him a
>> >
>> > printed
>> >
>> >>>copy of our written rules but it is useless to him because it
>> >>>contains no pictures and he is ashamed to have to have someone
>> >>>read it to him.   He is gonna' be "something else" to deal with, I
>> >>>can see it now !!   (Suggestions welcomed!  <chuckle>)
>> >>>
>> >>>Seems the BCA General Rules of Pocket Billiards is no longer
>> >>>on their WEB Site and I don't have the 2003 Edition.
>> >>>
>> >>>Thanks...
>> >>>
>> >>>McDave
>> >>>--
>> >>>/s/ David E. Nixon  in Maryland "A Faire Lande of Pleasant Living"
>> >>>        http://www.carryingcapacity.org
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>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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