Re: Dominant eye Centered over cue....

>It's the relationship of one part to the others
and how they interact as they accomplish the motion of stroking that's
important.<

I think this hits the nail on the head.  This is something I tried to
express many months ago - probably with little or no success.   There are
some general aspects of form and stroke that produce the best results for
everyone. However, in the end we all have subtle differences in our hands,
arm length, height, eyes, weight, depth perception, habits, back health
etc....  So producing the best stroke and results is a matter of finding the
perfect combination of grip, stance, upper body position,  head position,
bridge etc... for YOU.  They are like a linked chain.  Various combinations
can produce very good results, but if any links in the chain break down, the
whole chain can break down. What you want to find is the perfect chain for
you.  I would like to add one more controversial thought to this.  IMO, the
best possible chain is not always the same from day to day.  There are times
when tweaking one thing changes the results favorably on a particular night.

"lfigueroa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> Well, first off, I know pretty much where many of the regulars stand on
> these issues.  So it's not really a matter of convincing them one way or
the
> other...  it's more like bumper cars.  Sometimes it's just fun to
broadside
> someone :-)
>
> I'll check out the book, it sounds interesting.
>
> But here's where we differ:  The degree of precision pool requires (at the
> higher levels) is such that you really can't tell much from physical
> studies, videos, or photos.  It's the relationship of one part to the
others
> and how they interact as they accomplish the motion of stroking that's
> important.
>
> You're right  --  looking at each side-by-side, you probably couldn't
detect
> much difference.  But the significant differences (I think) are measured
in
> very small increments and variances in motion.  IOW, the difference
between
> a so-so stroke and a great stroke is really only an inch thisaway and an
> inch thataway.  It's why most of us have experienced the "dead stroke"
> syndrome.  It's tantalizing doable and occasionally within our grasp.  But
> it is a *very* particular alignment and sequence that produces it.  That's
> why we can't do it all the time.  It's a seven number combination on the
> safe and saying it's just any old  perpendicular forearm is like saying
it's
> like the three digit combo on the toy safe piggy bank we all had as kids.
>
> Lou Figueroa
>
> "Billy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > "lfigueroa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> >
> > Lou stated:
> > > That forearm is like a part of a mobile and it has to be in proper
> > > relationship to the other parts of the mobile for the entire mobile to
> be
> > > balanced, or in this case, produce a good stroke.
> >
> > Lou, a month or so ago another discussion of this kind came up and I
> > told you that you were beating your head against a wall in trying to
> > explain it to Patrick (maybe Ron also).  But, what you said above hits
> > the nail right on the head and they ain't EVER going to comprehend
> > that. EVER!! So whether it's you, me, or anyone else there's always
> > going to be disagreement and ongoing arguments over perfect positions
> > or the lack thereof.  Go to www.amazon.com and type in "The Golfing
> > Machine" under books.  It's written by Homer Kelley.  This is the type
> > of book that they want for pool which they think will turn them into
> > perfect automotons enabling 500+ ball runs if perfected.  Here are
> > some of the chapters under the table of contents: "Twenty Four Basic
> > Components" - Golf as basic assembly..."Catalog of Basic Component
> > Variations" - Golf as a parts catalog..."The Computer" - Golf as a
> > programmed computer..."Non Interchangeable Components - Golf as square
> > pegs and round pegs..."Golf As a Science" - Wrist positions,individual
> > and combinations. And then there are other books such as
> > "The Physics Of Golf".  Almost everything in this book is about
> > positions, from start to finish in the golf swing and there are a lot
> > more moving parts and a much greater range of motion than in pool, so
> > you can only imagine, without reading it (which I have), the
> > unbelievable possibilities.  Bobby Clampett, a young phenom years ago
> > in college and his early years as a pro, took this book as his BIBLE
> > and studied it every chance he had. He video taped every moving part
> > and dissected it according to the book and tried to improve on it.
> > Guess what?  It fucked his whole career up and he couldn't even break
> > 80 at one point and is now in the booth doing commentary.
> >
> > Lou further stated:
> > > The goal should be to achieve balance (good stroke)...
> >
> > THIS is the secret.  It's the body working harmoniously in it's
> > entirety to produce a fluid and constant motion, and the mind will
> > allow the body to do that if it's focusing on the entirety and not a
> > single position or body part function.  But, again...this doesn't
> > register with certain people and they continue to grope for something
> > to latch onto in it's isolated form.
> >
> > Patrick stated:
> > > > For that matter, it's the rare player who achieves pure classic
> form --
> > > > but that doesn't negate its value as an ideal or mean its
theoretical
> > > > advantages aren't real for those who can make it (or something close
> to
> > > > it) work.
> >
> > There just aren't that many body parts to a stroke.  Unless a person
> > is a total spastic with very little hand/eye coordination for any
> > athletic activity, it's hard to get really that far out of whack if
> > you've been playing for any length of time and put the hours and
> > observation into the game.  If video tapes were taken of Patrick, Ron,
> > me, you, and a whole host of others, I'd be willing to bet that ALL of
> > us look good on tape and it would be very difficult to pick any
> > glaring problems out.  If there was a major problem, it sure as hell
> > wouldn't be the forearm position and I doubt any body part position.
> >
> > .................Billy
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