Re: JNOS message question

Charles --

Put your money where your mouth is.  If you're interested in really seeing
what the Department of Homeland Security thinks about the issue, please drop
them a note about me.  I'd be happy to be your "test case" on internet
forwarding.  My contact info is good in the callbook and QRZ.COM.

I'll make you a deal.  If they agree with you that internet forwarding
should not be allowed for the purposes you have listed, then I'll gladly
disconnect my system from the internet and unconditionally apologize to you
here or in any forum you choose.  If they decide that internet forwarding
poses no threat from their perspective, you can apologize to me here and
stop harassing those of us who would like to use the internet for forwarding
in addition to RF.  Do you have the nerve to back up what you say?

Also, if you're able to work HF, then I hang out on 7261 or thereabouts
after 10:00PM central time (usually 7281 before 10) and would love to have
you check into the 1721 group.  They don't have anything to do with packet
or forwarding, but they're a great group of people and everyone's welcome.

73,
Jeff
N0WJP


"charlesb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> "Gene Storey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > I run around with some Drag racing guys (Top Fuel, Funny Cars, Gassers,
> etc),
> > and just like Hams, they are super-critical about what a "true hot
rodder"
> should
> > have on his car.  I know for a fact that these guys blow shit up even if
> it was gold
> > plated, but yet they keep buying the same shit because everyone else
will
> label
> > them a traitor or a poster-boy for some manufacturer.  There's some
people
> who
> > can't operate without negative peer pressure.  They wrap their positive
> messages in
> > negative slants about one thing or another.
> >
> > You can't change them, and they are too stupid to change themselves.
> >
>
> Yes, you are right, Gene... In this case, Internet junkies think it's cool
> to disrupt the amateur radio hobby because ham radio is not "IP", or it's
> not "fast enough", or - whatever.  ( Insert anti-ham sentiment or whiney
> excuse here. ) You can't change them, and they are too stupid to change
> themselves.
>
> Kind of like a guy who insists upon sneaking a little nitro to his tank in
a
> gas competition so that he can "win", LandLine Lids undermine the entire
> concept of Amateur Radio ( Using Radio, Duh! ) by using Internet links as
> part of the packet radio network and so are not really "winners"... They
are
> just disruptive jerk-offs. - You can't change them, and they are too
stupid
> to change themselves.
>
> Insects.
>
> Ham Radio is a much more serious hobby than hotrodding, in that a central
> part of our reason for being is to provide independent, alternative
> emergency communications during the course of a disaster or emergency. The
> activities of amateur radio operators save lives and property. We do this
by
> developing and maintaining day to day ham radio communications so that we
> will be there in time of need. This has become even more important since
the
> 9/11 attack, as the subsequent affilliation of the ARRL with the Dept. of
> Homeland Security would indicate to anybody who is not completely
> brain-dead.
>
> Non-ham communication links have no place whatsoever within an amateur
radio
> network, as they are the very type of communications that we are supposed
to
> be backing up. - Hopefully a few of us here are intelligent enough to
> understand the fact that you cannot "back up" a communications system that
> you are utterly dependent upon. - It would be like having a special
> telephone number to call, in case the phones go dead. - Useless in your
hour
> of need.
>
> So when insectoid types disrupt the ham radio hobby by imposing unwanted,
> inappropriate non-ham links within our amateur packet radio network, they
> are not just being jerkoffs, they are directly endangering human lives and
> property by interfering with the ability of amateur radio operators to
> fulfill one of our primary reasons for being - emergency communications.
>
> Tell you what, Gene... I'll send an note to the Dept of Homeland Security
> and see how they feel about people deliberately interfering with hams
trying
> to provide alternative, independent emergency communications capability.
> They may have some suggestions for dealing with persons who insist upon
> undercutting and interfering with amateur radio operators engaged in
> activities related to our affiliation with Homeland Defense, or may know
who
> to talk to in the FCC about this matter. There's really no reason for hams
> to have to tolerate this kind of disruptive, irresponsible behavior any
> more.
>
> Charles Brabham,  N5PVL
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