Re: Stop Thinking of Women as Sexual Objects [Re: How do the guys do it?]

"Reginald Guy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>     This whole complaint about people as sex "objects" ignores
> the fact that most adult people are sexual.  Sexuality just goes
> with being a biological being as opposed to an android.  What
> the heck is wrong with thinking of women or men sexually as
> well as personally?  Too many "nudists" I think would rather
> that sex were not a part of life, and they would prefer life
> before there was sex, as when they were "innocent" 3-year
> olds.  To them, nudity is just a way of proving no sexuality.

I think it's a combination of a couple of things (more, no doubt, but I'll
limit it here).

First, it's a re-hashing and broader application of the female
"Madonna-whore" complex many people have about significant women in their
lives (especially their mothers): she is considered "holy" and above stain
as the mother-figure, but <gasp> she had to have had sex in order to be my
mother. Many people create a false dichotomy in which you can either be
"pure" or "sexual," without entertaining the option the you can be both.

Next, toss in the popular (among non-nudists) belief that "nudist colonies"
exist only for the purpose of catering to swingers and
exhibitionistic/voyeuristic desires. Most nudists, knowing that's not true
at all (with the exception of places that really are catering to such
things), tend to overreact in defense of social nudism, and so often are
seen as "anti-sex."

And, since you mentioned the "innocence of children," lots of anti-nudity
people and groups get a lot of mileage out of this tactic. If they can
convince people that nudity==sex, and "everyone" knows that children are
asexual and "innocent," then the "logical" conclusion must be that we must
prevent nudity in order to "saaaave the chillllldrennnnnn."

> To me, a real nudist is one who can flirt and still hold an
> intellectual conversation with another nudist and not feel
> uncomfortable.

Well said.


Bill
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