Re: Way OT: The Bible and the Constitution

On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 01:20:51 GMT, "Dario Western"
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>T,
>
>> The truth between your here and now and some one elses, is nothing on
>> the grand scale. All time blends back into itself. And that is not
>> religion , my friend, it is science. It can neither be seen nor
>> percieved. Yet even the most devout agnostic, athiestic, scientist
>> knows it to be true. All the things you believe are perception. And
>> even those may be wrong.

>Does this essentially mean that time can neither go backwards nor forwards?
>The here and now that a collective of people experience might be their
>truth, but not essentially the truth of other people.

Time flows in a stream that flows back into itself. That's my best
current understanding. It exists on a continuum. It will neither go
forward nor backward. They exist simultaneously.

>Religion is simply remembering the past to create the future according to
>the rules and regulations of a particular geo-political generation, and one
>that is quite often not in accordance with one's country or time of day.

I don't know what the heck religion is. I've seen so many definitions
now that they've all become meaningless. My relationship with my
Creator goes beyond religion. However, if I accept your definition,
there are some immediate problems. I am not trying to create a future,
just a present. I have not rules or regulations, but paths and
examples." Love one another" needs neither country nor time. 

>> >l Quieda can use the koran to
>> >justify terrorism just as Hitler used the Bible to justify the holocaust.
>>
>> So, what? Exactly. Millions rationalize their actions. That does not
>> make the core philosophy flawed.

>Hitler used more than the Bible to justify it.  But how do we rationalise
>some of our actions, even though we know them to be insane?

Insanity is decided by a majority vote  "I would never do
THAT!!!....he, she, it, must be INSANE!"

>In the whole scale of human history, wrongdoers and evil-thinkers have been
>stoned, limbs excised, decapitated, nailed to trees, burnt on stakes,
>drowned in ponds, hung from the gallows, thrown into the mouth of volcanoes,
>burned in ovens and gas chambers, and administered lethal injection.
>
>All of these to follow one simple command: love your neighbour as yourself.

'All' is a mighty big word. Too big, I think, to try to build your
argument on. To determine the motive of each and every one would take
much longer than your present lifespan.

>I don't necessarily agree.  What might have been morally right or the norm
>in those cultures is not essentially true today, especially with the
>feminists, the EPA and CPS seeking to put a stop to mistreatment of women,
>children and the environment.

You are confusing culture with religion. Where does 'love one another'
conflict with women's or children's rights, or the need for sane
stewardship of our environment?

-T.