Re: -I- Greetings...

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> "Nathan Dykman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > > Nathan Dykman wrote:
> >  [snip...]
> > > >
> > > Math, Computer Science, my brain is not wired in that direction.  More
> > > power to you!
> >
> > Good thing. Trust me on that.
> >
> > > The computer related fields dominate the fastest growing occupations
> > > through the year 2010 www.bls.gov/news.release/ecopro.t06.htm
> >
> > Yea, I expect a resurgence in a couple of years in the market.
> >

> The fact is, outsourcing of jobs will continue to happen - and a lot
> more aggresively in the future. and if you are a top notch expert -
> why fear outsourcing? hating outsourcing only ends up exposing your
> insecurity and non-competitive attitude. it is sad that people
> discriminate and say that a so called "3rd world" country is snatching
> away "their" (non-deserving) luxuries. nobody in the US complains
> about Japan crunching out animes and tons of games hardware and
> software (a market much higher than India's insourcing revenue). btw,
> H1-B and outsourcing are two different things.

I guess I'll tackle the two issues separately.

First, outsourcing. My main concern is that compaines just ship jobs
overseas, and it's all "fine". There's two sides to the story. Basically,
what it comes down to is that we save money by taking full advantage of
disparity in standard of living. We shift the jobs around (10,000 from here,
10,000 to there). It's the emphasis on splitting up the same pie, not on
making a bigger one.

When companies focus on cutting costs, it's often just code for "we aren't
making money easy enough" or "we can't think of ways to grow our market."

The emphasis should be in growing economies in their own right. For example,
the vast majority of IT in India and China is way too dependent on US
investment. So, if we decide that say, Malaysia can do it cheaper, whoosh,
all those jobs go away.

The problem is that the main cost savings is tied directly to lower
standards of living and economic expectation. So, basically, the incentive
is *not* to improve standards of living too much, or it won't be as cost
effective.

Sure, Japan sends out tons of stuff to the US. The thing is, they can and do
buy the stuff they make, and they have viable economy in their own right.
Sure it's hurting, but they are still the second largest economy (Well,
until the EU counts as one economy).

I have no problem with real investment in other economies. But, that's a lot
more complex than just sending over jobs today that may be gone somewhere
else tomorrow.

As for the H1-B reform. Here's the problem. The IT industry borught in a lot
of people, and when things got rough, they shed workforce. If you are an
H1-B, you have three months to find a job, or you are out. You get no
unemployment, no aid, no nothing. No support net. Nada. It's ugly.

And the system is rife with abuses. I've seen job descriptions so specific
that it is obvious they just want to bring in somebody. Also, a lot of suck
and dump hiring. They staff up, get the project down, and then downsize.

I think should be harder to get entry to the country for a job. On the flip
side, once you get in, it should be much harder to get you to leave.

> quite true.. and "quite some time" is the key here... maybe for
> another 100 yrs.

I don't know about 100, but we can hope.

> good luck with your ph.d and jump into the real world as soon as you
> graduate. it sure is a rewarding career for the competitive..

Just FYI, I was in the real world for four years. I was laid-off from HP.
And it was nothing to do with me not being competitive. It had everything to
do with me making x amount more than y people with the same title.

I still hear lots of people say "well, they just couldn't keep up". I
understand that. It's lot easier than saying "I got lucky, or sucked up to
the right people." Which I think is a lot closer to the truth in many cases.

Nathan Dykman