Re: Dylans opinion on bootlegs

>> i was claiming that Jerry Garcia is maybe the most recorded artist of all
>> time...I stand by that claim...
>
>AP- Maybe the most recorded member of the Grateful Dead. But in real terms
>do you think he recorded more material than say Elvis Presley, Frank Sinatra
>or Johnny Cash for example. I doubt very much if he did. The Dead only made
>approx 12 studio albums, Jerry (himself) about half that.

Not only the most recorded grateful dead memeber but the most recorded perfomer
of all time was/is my claim...I guess im thriugh with this thread, you dont
seem to know enough about the subject to cary on with it.We are going in
circles...Once again go look at the over 2,300 show with the dead , the near
1000 shows on his own and the numnber of times hes played with others and
theres no doubt he been recorded more than anyone you named...ELVIS??!....


>All the rest are
>countless live releases full of covers of other's songs. Not very impressive
>in that respect, 

Lol...cmon, your foldin like a house of cards..
I forgot dylan never does covers....lol


>I've always felt short
>changed when a live album is released, where with a little more effort from
>those involved it could maybe of been a new studio record. It does help if
>you're able to write great songs, something the Dead never mastered. Good
>musicians they were/are, song writers not.
>>

"They" didnt writes the lyrics, Robert Hunter, (also a contemporary of Dylan)
did..Youve got some serious mental problems if you find no beauty in his
lyrics..And remind me of the dumbasses that put down Bob Dylan for the same
reasons..Youre veering WAAAY off the original argument and i see now that your
just a grateful dead hater....Im sorry i engaged you...



>> >Why would Bob have less shows recorded by audiences than the Dead?  Just
>> >because the Dead had a tapers section doesn't mean they're not taped.
>We'll
>> >have to count all known recordings.
>> >>
>>
>> Because he played fewer shows?..The deads shows have been recorded and
>> circulated since @january of 1966....Im not sure i understand your
>question....


>AP- Bob's have been circulated since 1961 because that's when he started
>playing shows.. The Dead formed in `65, so it would have to start about then
>wouldn't it. There certainly not the only artists that have been bootlegged
>continuously since their offset.
>>


Jerry Garcia was playing in bluegrass folk bands way before 65, there are shows
circulating from 1961, Jerry was a VERY good banjo player..
No they arent the first to be bootlegged since they began and i never said they
were..Once again you not not of what you speak..

>.Dead fans
>do
>> >not
>> >> tolerate selling bootlegs...
>> >No obviously not, that's why they're all expected to shell out for the
>> >latest double/triple cd of a live show almost every month care of Dick's
>> >Picks volumes to infinity series. A total disgrace if you ask me.
>>


>> Dix pix sell for around 18 bucks for a three disc set....No one is
>expected to
>> do anything of the sort, the dixpix series is aimed at the casual dead
>> collector and not the rest of us...Everything theyeve released except for
>the
>> new one has been circulating forever....None of the dix are complete
>> shows...Believe me, i dont dig the dixpix series either...I dont think
>they
>> should be selling shows previously circulated for free, but thats just me,
>and
>> they sell the hell out of them so someone digs them..I guess theres just
>not
>> the demand for live dylan stuff..





>AP- You can double your 18 dollar price for the rest of the world. You think
>the Dick's Picks series is for casual fans?

Yes, they are, its a well known accepted fact....More rabid fans and collectors
trade shows fro free, eveything save one show was already circulating..Thats
not to say some fans do own dix pix, i have several myself.

.>I think not

lol..youve thought not about alot of things youve been wrong about so far...




>What's casual about buying a double or triple live album by the
>same band every month? That ridiculous. 

I dont know anyone that does this....>At least these buyers are getting
>hopefully a better quality recording that the vine tapes can offer, but 38
>bucks isn't casual. 

Dix pix do not sell for 38 bucks, what a record store does to the price is up
to them....You can get the show for free, just by askin..



.>Now it's DVD too, so you Deadheads are really getting
>screwed for your hard earned cash. It's such a cynical enterprise. Someone
>once said to me "The Grateful Dead are a band of the peole", my arse they
>are. The Grateful Dead Great Pension Fund more like.


I guess your claims about bob being the most recorded artist are gone eh?...By
the way the new winterland dvd is SPECTACULAR!!...Ans its sellin for under 20
bucks...6.5 hours of music etc...go figure....


>> >OK, give it another name closer to your choice.
>> >The last time I saw the Dead was at the Rainbow in London about 1980. The
>> >Rainbow held about 1500 people.


>Wow you saw them at the London
>> Theater... NICE!....Im truly envious.....That run was 10-2-81, 10-3-81,
>> 10-4-81,10-6-81....Some really nice stuff from that run..Do you know the
>exact
>> date or maybe the day of the week you saw them?.I may have a copy of the
>show
>> for you.....
>


>AP- I saw them the night they played an acoustic set for about 5 hours.
>Thankfully I could lie on the floor!
>>

So, now youre a liar as well?...Looks that way douche...They didnt play an
acoustic set at the rainbow theater in 81..Any motre lies you care to have me
expose?....The grateful dead have never played a 5 hour acoustic set anywhere..


>> >Yes Japan (which has dedicated record stores selling ONLY Bob Dylan
>records
>> >with huge selections of bootlegs) and Malaysia, Indonesia (4th largest
>> >country inthe world), Singapore....
>>



>> Unbelieveable..And this is a good thiing to you?....You wonder why bob
>doesnt
>> dig his shows being recorded?....We trade them for free, thereby taking
>the
>> profit out of it for douches like this...



>AP- There's a mighty number of douches out there. But, if bootlegs are going
>to exist, it's better in the hands of specialists who do a good job than
>rogue traders at a fair who you'll never see again. At least the buyer can
>take something back to the shop he's not happy with. In Tokyo, you'll also
>find stores dedicated to Led Zeppelin, The Beatles etc.
>>

lol....good lord, your an idiot babe, its a wonder ya still know how to
breathe....


>>But so are Bob's mostly recorded. I only have info up to 1998. But from
>1961
>> >to end `98 Bob had played at least 1,706 shows. From `75 to `92 only 30
>> >shows were missing, bearing in mind this info is now 5 years old, it's
>safe
>> >to assume a few of these will have turned up.
>> >>
>>



>> Between 1965 and 1995 The Grateful Dead played 2,314 shows, 36,534 songs,
>484
>> different songs....This is without the Jerry Garcia solo bands that played
>> between 1971 and 1995 that played somewere around 800-1000
>shows...:)...This
>> does not count him sitting in on other bands shows that circulate....Keep
>in
>> mind..The Dead are still touring as we speak...But we were talking
>Garcia....
>


>AP- if that's the case, you easily win the factoid prize.
>>

Wasnt tryin to win a prize, just correcting another newsgroup guy that says
stuff that he knows nothing about...thanks for admitting you were wrong, and i
promise you, if i found out i was wrong i would admit it and move along...You
didnt have to get into putting the ban down though...Iys no different than some
michael jackson fan tellin you that hes a better songwriter, dancer, child
molester than Dylan, it would irritate you as well...


.>> I said in the original post that Jerry was the most recorded bootlegged
>> performer ever..It was a response to your claim that Bob Dylan is the most
>> bootlegged performer period...
>


>AP- I think we've got confusion over live tapes circulating between fans as
>is the case with the Dead and huge quantities of a multiplicity of titles
>available to buy at record fair's by Bob Dylan. That's the difference I
>mean. There's no way that bootleggers have produced as many Grateful Dead
>bootlegs than that of Bob Dylan. 

THERES NO REASON, THEY ALLOW TAPING !!..IT TAKES THE PROFIT OUT!!..Why zimmy
doesnt get this i just dont understand...Why YOU would support them by buying
them is even a larger mystery...



>One of the reasons for that are the
>controls monitored by the authorities that be. It's was/is very much harder
>to get a glass mastered factory produced bootleg made in the USA than say
>parts of  Europe. The stampers are all ID'd. If you've got any European boot
>CD's look to see the country of manufacture. It's Italy, Hungary, Luxemburg
>and more recently Israel as controls steadily tighten in Europe. Plus the
>fact that Bob's a lot more popular throughout Europe than the Dead ever
>were. Go back to 1969 when the initial pressings of

>Great White Wonder,
>about 100,000 sold out quickly. The Dead were lucky if they sold that many
>official albums outwith the USA. I keep saying the Dead were only big news
>in certain parts of USA, they were just another band most other places.
>Sorry to disappoint you on that.
>It's also probably part of the reason that Columbia host this site. So that
>if boots are here to stay and they are, that fans swap them for free, rather
>than feeding the black market.


lol...im dumbfounded.....Speechless....youre now talking about bootlegs like
theyre released by folks that actually CARE about the stuff they
bootlegging?..You havent been doing this very long...I guess im just not used
to hearing a "fan" talk so glowingly about the inferior/illegal bootlegs of an
artist they suppsadly love and care about...truly odd..>> Bob Dylan's eulogy
for Jerry Garcia:
>>
>> "There's no way to measure his greatness or magnitude as a person or as a
>> player. I don't think eulogizing will do him justice. He was that great -
>much
>> more than a superb musician with an uncanny ear and dexterity. He is the
>very
>> spirit personified of whatever is muddy river country at its core and
>screams
>> up into the spheres. He really had no equal. To me he wasn't only a
>musician
>> and friend, he was more like a big brother who taught and showed me more
>than
>> he'll ever know. There are a lot of spaces and advances between the Carter
>> Family, Buddy Holly and, say, Ornette Coleman, a lot of universes, but he
>> filled them all without being a member of any school. His playing was
>moody,
>> awesome, sophisticated, hypnotic and subtle. <<...>> There's no way to
>convey
>> the loss. It just digs down really deep." - Bob Dylan
>>
>AP- Yeah, sure , Bob and Jerry knew each other, but it sounds a bit
>sanctamonious to me. Bob's not going to say anything to the contrary is he?
>He's said the same about Woody Guthrie, Johnny Cash. Bob knows how to play
>the media game, he's a bread head.
>He's not said anything remotely controversial about anything since Live Aid
>`85, when he commented on the plight of some USA farmers with high
>mortgages. At least they could eat, unlike the 9 million starving Ethiopians
>which Bob seemed none too concerned about.
>
>Cheers,
>AP
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Like i said, you arent worth the bandwidth this is taking..begone....back to
your hole...
holy CRAP!!...
JonP