Re: Ani and religion !!??

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (PacoGonzz) wrote:

> Refering to the pagan comment, Maevele says:  >Heh. I was afriad that would 
> be
> a controversial statement, so was all 
> >ready to back it up with lyrics and shit. I've thought it for a while, 
> >but "evolve" (the song, not the album), and the "nature is our mother 
> >and our teacher" bit in Icarus pretty much convinced me. 
> 
> I'm not sure why it would be considered controversial, save for the general
> nervousness people can sometimes feel whenever religion is discussed, but I
> know what you mean. 
> 

Well, I've been accused of "projecting" my own beliefs on other artiss 
when I have picked up a pagan vibe off of their art before.


> To a large extent, I think the very word "pagan" has been co-opted by the 
> same
> old white boys' network that co-opts just about every left of center notion
> since roughly WWII.  But in the end, the notion of a pagan religious zeal
> amounts to an expression of deep awe when it comes to considering questions 
> of
> essence.  That is, it's not surprising that Ani would say, basically, "let me
> in" as she ponders the mysteries.  

I guess I'm using it in a far simpler way, in the sense of spirituality 
without a big G god. She seems to recognize that there is a larger force 
within nature and finding her place in it. Between that and her goddess 
references, I think of her as pagan.

> 
> I'm not so sure atheism is the right term for her, though she's no doubt
> adopted that stance as a way of protesting standard Xian contempt for 
> ecstasies
> outside its own definitions.  That's a given, init?
> 

Yeah, i think she uses athiest to make it clear that she isn't into an 
actual religious god, but I don't think she's a full on athiest. (I'm in 
the middle of a huge argument on another NG with a full on atheist, and 
apparently hard atheism even denies there being a spiritual connection 
to the rest of the world, and ani has certainly acknowledged that at 
least) 



-- 
 Maevele


"Lord i hate people who piss off maevele."- Baxter