Re: Martial arts swords

Well, for a moderated group, I feel unwelcome.

I don't work for CAS. I called them, they told be they have an exclusive
deal.
I got my sword, there  are rust pits on it, and the thing only fits into the
scabbard one way.

Thanks for the worm welcome folks,

Au Revoir

Signed
some poor sap who was just trying to be helpful.


"Supermazz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> As you jump all over Mr.Assumption there, you neglected that you yourself
> was making one about this CAS that I'm increasingly thinking you work for.
> Just because This CAS is an authorized seller doesn't mean that no other
> company in the world is.  Seems to me that I can go buy a Dri-Fit shirt
(man
> I love 'em) just about anywhere, but I can't go pick up a Dri-Fit with the
> Runnin embroidery on it anywhere but the Runnin.  This is possibly similar
> to the "exclusive deal" you speak of.  In fact, maybe the exclusive deal
is
> for all the reject swords?  Damn...I don't know why I write this crap when
> I'm tired.......
> "Blueeyedpop" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > Grey market does not imply anything about the quality of an item. It
> implies
> > the methods the item was purchased by, and the support you can expect.
> >
> > According to CAS, they have an exclusive deal, and a network of
authorized
> > dealers. If you do not buy from an authorized dealer, you are buying
what
> > amounts to gray market at the very minimum.
> >
> > Not being in the Hanwei factory, I really cannot say where these swords
> are
> > coming from. They could be from a different manufacture, and sold as
Paul
> > Chen, they could be factory seconds, they could be rejects out of the
> > dumpster behind the factory, they could be from retail stores in China,
> > where the retail is so low, you can buy there and sell at a profit. For
> all
> > I know, the gray market stuff is hand crafted by Mr. Chen's descendents,
> and
> > is superior in every way compared to the Hanwei items.
> >
> > All I am saying, is that I was shocked when I learned that the sword I
was
> > purchasing, which the seller made every effort to portray as a genuine
CAS
> > item, complete with pictures stolen from CAS's site, was in fact not a
CAS
> > sword.
> >
> >
> > Imagine you are a fine leathercraftsman, and your goods are so popular,
> that
> > you go overseas to produce them just to meet demand. You maintain a
> certain
> > level of quality, and the inexpensive overseas materials and labor allow
> you
> > to turn out more goods. Now imagine that you set up a sole
distributorship
> > in the united states, sell to dealers, and turn a handsome profit.
> >
> > Now imagine you see your items on EBAY for 20% less than the retail.
Cheap
> > enough so that your dealers cannot compete with the price.
> >
> > How do you feel  about the person(s) who are leaking your goods into the
> > open market?
> >
> > Mike
> > "Chas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > > "Blueeyedpop" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
> > > > No, the point is, CAS supposedly has an exclusive deal with the
> > > > manufacturer.
> > >
> > > Paul Chen stuff is pretty available- never heard of some 'exclusive
> deal'.
> > > CAS is just a merchandising shell, not a manufacturer, so the goods
they
> > buy
> > > are available to anyone.
> > > Perhaps their deal is for the European market or something.
> > >
> > > > I am a firm believer in good business practice, and believe that
> "grey"
> > or
> > > > "black" market goods are unfair to the authorized vendor, and if
> > > > mis-represented, unfair to the end buyer as well.
> > >
> > > Are you saying that Chen makes a good sword for some customers and a
> piece
> > > of crap for others?
> > >
> > > > I purchased a sword that was mis-represented, and I am not happy
about
> > > that.
> > > > Being a business man with a strong sense of ethics, this cuts me
> doubly
> > so
> > > > (every pun intended). There are people who buy in bulk, do not
posess
> > > retail
> > > > frontage, and can therefore sell a $100.00 idem for $80.00, that is
> > fine,
> > > > but flying to China, meeting their grey market contacts, possibly
> > > smuggling
> > > > the products into the country is another matter.
> > >
> > > That still implies that Chen's swords aren't high quality control, or
> that
> > > he deliberately makes a junk sword with the same markings as a good
one
> > > through CAS.
> > >
> > > > Yes the credo "let the buyer beware" applies at all times. But I am
> just
> > > > reminding people that there is a pervasive problem, and just because
> an
> > > > online presence looks clean and well groomed, does not mean they are
> > > legit,
> > > > and does not mean that they will flat out lie to you.
> > >
> > > Same thing for a stick/brick store, unfortunately.
> > > Given that, I don't much buy weapons I can't handle first.
> > >
> > > Chas
> > >
> > >
> >
>