Re: [FIST] Shaolin Suprise and Shadowy Mentor

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
littlemute <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I've played a deck with the typical SS+SM archtype for quite a few
>years but since we started playing a lot of Fist again, some questions
>have arisen because things get a bit crazy (both game wise and
>emotionally) when this combo is used.

Some of the issues related to Shaolin Surprise are covered in the
latest issue of the Secret War Society newsletter.

>Timing issues:
>
>1) Biff declares attack with Character A against Milly.  Milly
>Controls character B with a Shadowy Mentor.  Milly plays shaolin
>Suprise, moves the shadowy mentor from Character B to Character A.
>Character B goes back to Manuel.  Manuel decides to join Biff's attack
>against Milly with his now recontrolled/unturned character B.  Is this
>possible with the timing for Manuel to join the attack in response to
>the removal of Shadowy Mentor from his character?

Yes, if Milly was careless. An attack does not end due to a lack of
attackers until after everybody has had a chance to join. (TKB, p. 47)

If Milly asks if anybody's joining before doing evil Shaolin Surprise
tricks, it will be too late.

>2) Following the above example, Character A intercepts Character B. 
>Character A is smoked. The Shadowy Mentor should go to the smoked
>pile, but the Shaolin Suprise card says that if the original target of
>the state is in play at the end of the turn, the state returns to it. 
>Does the state return to character B?

No. When a card leaves play, other cards normally lose track of them.