Re: [FIST] Shaolin Suprise and Shadowy Mentor

"littlemute" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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: I've played a deck with the typical SS+SM archtype for quite a few
: years but since we started playing a lot of Fist again, some questions
: have arisen because things get a bit crazy (both game wise and
: emotionally) when this combo is used.
:
: Timing issues:
:
: 1) Biff declares attack with Character A against Milly.  Milly
: Controls character B with a Shadowy Mentor.  Milly plays shaolin
: Suprise, moves the shadowy mentor from Character B to Character A.
: Character B goes back to Manuel.  Manuel decides to join Biff's attack
: against Milly with his now recontrolled/unturned character B.  Is this
: possible with the timing for Manuel to join the attack in response to
: the removal of Shadowy Mentor from his character?

It depends on when Milly plays Shaolin Surprise.  Has Manuel already
declared his attackers for this attack?  If not, then yes.  If so, then no.
You don't get to respond to an effect by declaring attackers.  If I declare
my attackers and you respond by playing Death-O-Rama, I don't get to respond
to that by turning Homo Omega to attack.

: 2) Following the above example, Character A intercepts Character B.
: Character A is smoked. The Shadowy Mentor should go to the smoked
: pile, but the Shaolin Suprise card says that if the original target of
: the state is in play at the end of the turn, the state returns to it.
: Does the state return to character B?

Not if it left play.  Shaolin Surprise v2 is a little clearer:  it says that
you return control of the state to its original controller and place it back
on its original subject.  But you can't return control of something that's
left play.  If I Tortured Memories your character and get him killed, he
doesn't come back into play just because Tortured Memories returns control
of him to you at the end of the turn.

Bob Rossney
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