Re: coming into play as something different

"War_Pig5" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Say there's a continuous effect that changes what Something is. Does the
> Something "come into play" already changed, or CIP, then change?
>
> Examples:
>
> If I play a forest with Ambush Commander and Elvish Vanguard in play, does
> EV get a counter?

The Forest will come into play, and it will be an Elf as soon as it is in
the in-play zone.  Therefore, Elvish Vanguard's ability will trigger and
give it a counter.

> If I play a land nonbasic land with a Blood Moon in play, does the land's
> CIP ability trigger? Is the answer the same no matter what the CIP ability
> is? For example, a CIP-replacement ability (like Kjeldoran Outpost) or a
> CIP-tapped ability (Abandoned Outpost)? (I'm also pretty sure that I can't
> tap KO for W before they it gets changed into a mountain by the Blood
Moon,
> but I might as well mention this for verification.)

These are different abilities.  These modify the come-into-play event; they
do not modify characteristics of permanent's in play, or wait until
something has already entered play (Elvish Vanguard).  These must be
processed and will still take effect.  Abandoned Output will come into play
as tapped, but with the subtype Island.  Similar logic applied to Kjeldoran
Outpost.

> I hope the answer is that it CIP changed that would make sense to me.

It makes sense, and is also how it works.

--
Lee Sharpe
DCI Level 2 Judge