Re: coming into play as something different

"War_Pig5" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> Say there's a continuous effect that changes what Something is. Does the
> Something "come into play" already changed, or CIP, then change?
>
Continuous effects apply all the time while a permanent is in play.
Therefore, it doesn't enter first as it's printed and change then, but you
calculate it's statistics before it enters play, then you put it into play
with those statistics.

> Examples:
>
> If I play a forest with Ambush Commander and Elvish Vanguard in play, does
> EV get a counter?
>
Yes. The land is an Elf at the moment it enters play, and will trigger the
EV. Note that the land will be summon-sick as well.

> If I play a land nonbasic land with a Blood Moon in play, does the land's
> CIP ability trigger? Is the answer the same no matter what the CIP ability
> is? For example, a CIP-replacement ability (like Kjeldoran Outpost) or a
> CIP-tapped ability (Abandoned Outpost)? (I'm also pretty sure that I can't
> tap KO for W before they it gets changed into a mountain by the Blood
Moon,
> but I might as well mention this for verification.)
>

Now, this situation is a tad different, since the Kjeldoran Outpost has a
Weird Wording. The Kjeldoran Outpost doesn't come into play then trigger a
land-sacrifice, but it replaces it's own CIP event. Those events take place
before any continuous effects can override the abilities written on a card,
so you have to process the KOs ability, even if you won't be able to tap it
for W or soldiers.

> I hope the answer is that it CIP changed that would make sense to me.
>
> In Magic, there is always hope. Who out there remembers where this comes
> from: "...your opponent is never defeated until the last life point is
> taken."
>