Re: Hungry Coyote - Why, oh why?!?

"Magnus Knoblauch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> Not wanting to sound hysteric, but can *anybody* please explain to me on what drugs 
> the designers of V:TES were, when they devised
> the Hungry Coyote? At least those were still WotC then, but why has it not been 
> erratad yet?

What to? I guess you suggest "Tap to give a sabbat vampire +1 blood
from hunting".

> I know that there are a lot of hoser cards which Camarilla vampires can play, too, 
> but this is by far the worst card I´ve
> encountered.

HC is not a hoser.

 Well, besides Direct Intervention. You haven´t really loathed a card
until you´ve run into a bloat/bleed Lasombra
> Weenie-Builder deck which produces around 6 pool per round, plays Arms of the Abyss 
> all the time, along with the occasional
> Entombment.

This is a fairly common archetype and easily trumped. Just out of
interest, what deck were you playing?

Stealth Bleed: Small vampires have no intercept and (from the sounds
of it) no dominate. Bleed them out.

Rush Combat: Destroy the vampire who is creating all the brats.
Grapple, Thoughts Betrayed, even Scorpion Sting + ag gives you some
ways to get around arms of the abyss. Oh, or how about "Press"...

Vote: Disputed Territory should be in EVERY vote deck. Even if there
is nothing out there you like, you can use it as a sweetener for
someone. Take the Coyote, let him contest with you. Dramatic upheaval
to right behind him, vote him to death.

This type of deck has 2 main weaknesses: 

1) It relies on Hunting.

2) It relies on a big (usually titled) vampire to spawn the little uns

Take out or make one element harder and you beat it. The Hungry Coyote
is NOT one of those elements.

> So, any idea why this card hasn´t been erratad or at *least* an 
> Camarilla/Independent equivalent been printed? Not to mention that
> it is almost impossible to get, making contesting more unlikely.

The Camerilla has 2nd Traditions and 5th Traditions. Hunting isn't as
key. Independants are always weaker thematically since they are less
organised. The Hungry Coyote is about the only really good card
usuable by Sabbat vampires. Sure, there are a few other almost decent
cards that rarely get used (Blood of the Sabbat, Sunrise Service, etc)
and some good cards (Blood Feast, Eternal Vigilance) but nothing else
even half as good. I mean, look at the dross they have to put up with:
Firedance, Vaulderie, Bloodbath, Monomancy.

On the flip side, look at the Camerilla. All the traditions are at
worst OK and at best good (even after erratas). I've seen whole decks
made on the back of 2nd Traditions. Judgement: Camerilla Segregation
is pretty cool and Protect Thine Own is REALLY powerful. With nothing
else really remotely as good, the Sabbat are pretty much welcome to
the Hungry Coyote!

Dave