Re: Utility of anarch cards

Teemu T Vilen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> vermillian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : Teemu T Vilen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> :> mesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> :> Currently making my version of toolboxy !toreador tap/vote/bleed with
> :> the usual Palla Grandes. Nothing new, but might be fun with a lot of
> :> Firebrands. 
> : While at the same time losing slots for bettter cards. Follow the
> : mantra in the "too many good master cards" thread. Mantra #1: Would I
> : rather have a blood doll? Mantra #2: Would I rather have a dreams?
> 
> "Would I rather do as everyone else does?" "Would I rather not go the usual
> way?" "Would it be more fun doing this in a non-conventional way?"
> "Would it be fun to not use blood dolls, minion taps and dreams of the
> sphinx?" 

Your mantra is crappy... for a competetive environment at least. I
don't have too much fun always falling flat on my face because I'm
spending actions for mediocre benefits... I'd rather govern down or
bleed!
 

> What? Are anarch decks mentioned in the sentence you just quoted? It was
> about Ravnos voting. You can't see but anarch boogies in this thread,
> can you?

OK, yes, I can't see anything but anarch boogies in this thread. NO
one has yet to tell me how THE MOLE can be a good enough card to play,
when I have to GO ANARCH somehow. Compare to second tradition. If
something isn't as good as that, or if there's nothing that this
mechanic can't do that a prince or justicar can't, I won't bother.
Heck, it's easier and more benefitial to GO JUSTICAR with mono-clan
weenie decks! Christ...

> I get a distinct feeling that keeping your head in the box of imagined
> goal of efficiency you can keep chanting the same mantras all over again
> without bringing anything new to the subject.

Oh, my goal efficiency is NOT imagined. And I would LOVE to be able to
chant the mantra "Going anarch is better than govern. Going anarch is
better than princes. Going anarch is better than better", but I just
feel like I'm lying to myself everytime I do so.

> There's an old roman saying of "You shouldn't say 'it's impossible' to a
> person who's doing it already'" :)

I never said impossible. I'm saying NOT WORTH IT.
 
> Take Firebrand as an example and make a comparison between !Tor anarch
> vote and !Tor archbhop vote. Anarch voter uses Galadric's Legacy as
> means of going anarch, next action is calling Firebrand. Of course, if
> you don't draw into any Legacies, you'll have to waste an action. Next
> action would be a Baron, or the !Tor can just proceed with the usual
> bleed, tap and vote business.
> 
> Meanwhile, !Tor archbishop deck is likely doing the same, just 1-2 steps
> ahead, having not bothered with going anarch and not calling Firebrand.
> 
> Next round the archbishop deck 0-1 actions ahead of the anarch deck due
> to Firebrand untap effect.

This firebrand untap effect requires ANOTHER ANARCH minion. So we have
additional factors like more turns and more minions to set up all this
great anarch stuff.

> Next round again the archbishop deck is 0-1
> actions behind the anarch deck. and so it goes. Initial investment that
> pays off rather fast, and faster yet if you pull into two Firebrands in
> the beginning of the game.

Alot of this wa conidional on GETTING your firebrand vote, getting
galaric's legacy and the Fee Stake card. You are embarrassing yourself
man, knock it off. The anarch deck IN THE BEST CASE SCENARIO is MAYBE
how you described it above.

Besides, who plays with Secret Horde (Or Powerbase Washington), even
though "In the Long run" you'll be paying off better. Really, though.
Anarchs to almost anything else is like comparing Powerbase ANYTHING
ELSE with Powerbase Montreal. Christs sake, play with the latter!
 
> My dropping the "better" cards I get a notable boost to the amount I can
> potentially take during a turn.

Those 0-1 turns (which is an infimum to your turn delayage... that is
not even a minimum) are sometimes enough to break a methuselah,
messing up your pool so you can't manage to pull ahead.

~SV