Re: [OT] Live, the Universe and Fish

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tina Hall) wrote in news:MSGID_2=3A2437=2F22.13
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

> Mi 26.11.03 Arien Malec the Ruffian ([EMAIL PROTECTED]),
>             An Elder of the Shining One,
>             Crawled into REC.GAMES.ROGUELIKE.MISC at 20:45h
>             And whined the following.
>             It didn't last long.
> 
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tina Hall) wrote in
>> news:MSGID_2=3A2437=2F22.13 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>> > Arien Malec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> [Germans proud to be European?]
>> > Hmmm... Not knowing your sample, I prefer to trust mine. ;P
>>
>> That would be like my saying: but everyone *I* know was against this
>> military adventure. :-)
> 
> You know all the same type of people?

As you know? Or all the people I know are the same kind of people? (It 
actually is not true, but is mostly true).

> [design of the universe?]
>> > That'd indicate the universe had purpose or made sense, which
>> > doesn't make sense.
>>
>> Can it make sense without having a purpose?
> 
> Hm? Yes, but that doesn't matter. That it doesn't make sense is
> the whole point.

But it can make sense purposelessly (or it can not make sense purposely.)

>> >> [Getting reborn in Hell]
>> > '(Back) to' Hell, I think. It's not as if it's in another new
>> > dimension.
>>
>> Whaddya mean? There's a portal, and everything.
> 
> Nono. All you have to do is get reborn, and you'll be right back
> here. :)

That sounds like Crawl too. :-)

>> BTW: two questions:
>>
>> 1) Does the portal *out* of the Abyss look like the portal into it?
> 
> Eh... I don't think it shifts its colour, I think it's just
> purple, but shaped like the others (an inverted 'U', I think).

OK, makes sense. I really didn't see it then.

> As you see, I'm not too sure of the details. <g> I do normally
> check it when I see it, for it being the right thing. Btw, I wish
> there was some target-option to go through items instead of
> monsters (for 'x').

Darshan? :-)

> I've only just learned of the +/- feature
> with targetting, and now I'm starting to find it tedious to move
> the cursor to the items manually...

Try playing Nethack sometime.... It will drive you crazy to only be able 
to shoot in 8 directions. BTW, the +/- targetting is in the manual....
 
>> and b) If Hell, the Abyss and Pandemonium all have upsidedown U
>> shaped portals, does that mean that stores are in another dimension?
> 
> Probably. You can take all the time you like buying stuff...
> 
>> and iii) Does that explain why you can't move in stores, and only one
>> person can exist there, and no time passes?
> 
> Sounds reasonable.

Ergo, is true.

>> IIR, you saw the Vaults on the same game you got YAVP?
> 
> Afair, yes.
> 
> What do you mean by 'IIR'?

If I Recall.

> There's the 'C' missing from If I Remember/Recall Correctly

Oh, now you want me to recall it correctly?

> and without it it doesn't make sense
> ('As I Remember/Recall' would, but As isn't spelled with an 'I'
> <g>)...

Remember/recall in this context implies correctly.
 
>> But I'd place the newbie/non-newbie barrier at entering one of
>> the side branches (not counting the temple). You are clearly
>> non-newbie when you have cleared out a level.
> 
> I've cleared out the first level lots of times! ;P

Branch, damnit.
> 
>> Speaking of which, I've been playing DEFEs lately. Except for the
>> weak HP, that's a pretty nice combination. Nothing but YASDs, though.
> 
> Maybe some other DE spellcaster with better early defenses would
> help, or some other FE that isn't quite as frail?

I've found DEFEs pretty devastating. I've been skipping sticky flame to 
get to bolt, and that is awfully fun. All my deaths have been YASDs...

>> >> [mind powers, telekinesis]
>> >> Oh. You are lazy -- it makes sense. You could hire someone.
>> >
>> > You volunteer to pay the wage? ;)
>>
>> Well, it's techincally the same thing.
> 
> That doesn't answer the question... ;)

Of course it does....
 


>> And how do you know that telekinesis isn't as taxing as getting
>> up and moving stuff? (OK, it's a level 1 spell, so perhaps not
>> very taxing).
> 
> It isn't because that's the way my non-working magic works. ;P

OK.
 
> It isn't being taxing that bothers me, but mostly just the time
> wasted that I could spend more entertaining... Hmmm... I'd need
> to be able to teleport, too, then. And get stuff from the shop
> without having to go there, and having the bank transfer the
> money (to the shop, too, of course) without having to go there...

That, I do all the time (that Internet thingy again).
 
>> So what's the difference? If I invent a nifty gizmo that allows me to
>> manipulate fundimental forces, and create a brain/machine interface
>> to do it, that's not magic? Is the dividing line whether I can
>> explain it?
> 
> Magic doesn't need some device, it's just your mind that does the
> manipulating directly. Otherwise writing/transfering this post
> could be classed as magic, too. It's not a letter written by hand
> on paper and delivered by a postman, after all. It's just some
> mysterious electronic device.

Magic. Someone's third law, or something.

Arien