Re: Request For Comments...

"Mr. Ed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> "Mark Stokje" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
[...]
> > but I am shock, stunned, and absolutely amazed that over 10% of the
> starting
> > nations in a game can declare a victory and there is hardly a peep from
> the
> > players. When I read that victory declaration, I expected moral outrage,
> 
> I heartily agree with your sentiment -- it was pretty galling to me as well.
> My CUNTS commentary, while sarcastic in nature was, in truth, pretty
> precise in how I felt.

However, there's a fine line, which you didn't quite cross as far as I
can tell.  That's the line between calling what we did lame
(`outrage', if you want) and calling it morally wrong (`*moral*
outrage').

Whild I don't think it was either, and do take (mild) offense at a
loser of a game calling me lame, that's nothing compared to
questioning my integrity.  Unless I misunderstood you, you haven't.

>                         I find it interesting that I was berated more for
> whinging about the size of the winning group than people were for, oh say,
> taking advantage of "accidental" updates to glean intelligence on enemies.

I'm not aware of any such abuses (That doesn't mean there weren't
any).  If I were, I'd sure give those bastards hell.

> In fact, I fully expected Mithrilien to bounce this "alliance" back in
> disgust
> over the fact that *20%* of the starting nations declare victory (Yes,
> 10% were the "principals" and the other 10% were the "honoraries" but
> the point is the same).  I couldn't imagine that this was what he conceived
> or anticipated when putting together LOTR.

As I wrote in a different post, ACME is slightly smaller than the
coalition that won LOTR I.  Therefore, I doubt it was as unexpected as
you imagine.

> > I truely found this to be the most disapointing aspect of Empire to date.
> 
> And that's definitely a worry.  For new players to experience this level
> of disappointment after significant investment of effort, well....  However,
> I think most people will jump on you and simply say that "If you don't
> like it, you should only join a game that has victory conditions which will
> make you happy defined before hand".

I'd say that to an experienced player.  A new player can hardly know
what kind of game setups he's going to enjoy.