Re: Request For Comments...

Hi Mark,

"Mark Stokje" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> Another completely different issue here. I've said this before, but I'll
...
> but I am shock, stunned, and absolutely amazed that over 10% of the
starting
> nations in a game can declare a victory and there is hardly a peep from
the
> players. When I read that victory declaration, I expected moral outrage,

I heartily agree with your sentiment -- it was pretty galling to me as well.
My CUNTS commentary, while sarcastic in nature was, in truth, pretty
precise in how I felt.  I find it interesting that I was berated more for
whinging about the size of the winning group than people were for, oh say,
taking advantage of "accidental" updates to glean intelligence on enemies.

In fact, I fully expected Mithrilien to bounce this "alliance" back in
disgust
over the fact that *20%* of the starting nations declare victory (Yes,
10% were the "principals" and the other 10% were the "honoraries" but
the point is the same).  I couldn't imagine that this was what he conceived
or anticipated when putting together LOTR.

> I truely found this to be the most disapointing aspect of Empire to date.

And that's definitely a worry.  For new players to experience this level
of disappointment after significant investment of effort, well....  However,
I think most people will jump on you and simply say that "If you don't
like it, you should only join a game that has victory conditions which will
make you happy defined before hand".

> And even as a newbie, I'm forced to ask myself, Why did this happen?
> Are we all to friendly? Too many unbreakable NA's? is waging large
> scale war to time consuming? At some point do countries get so large
> that they stalemate if they fight? What's the answer, why don't these
> four nations go for all the glory?

There's a whole barrel of entertaining responses I could make... instead
I'll refrain and let Markus, Plundaria, Byz, Rook, Mongol, Whabit, Ice, Ski
and the other 4-6 players involved in ACNE respond.

My personal solution?  Middle Earth nukes. ;)

Mr. Ed