Re: A Crime by a Board of Old Imposters

my thoughts are that crafty is a licensed product under a GNU public
license. respect that license or you are a theif.
"darrz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 00:27:35 GMT, "Znarf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >The ICGA could only access and review the source code upon an accusation
of
> >"cheating."  The Accuser must provide a factual basis for the accusation
> >(e.g., it must be more than "The accused program performed the same two
> >moves as program x.").  This would protect entrants from unfounded
> >accusations.
>
> Not really. Read your statement again. Where are the facts in the
> accusation? What facts can you have as a cc tournament entrant, about
> another program?
>
> You have no source code, no performance of the suspect program on any
> critical positions or test suites. Nothing!
>
> All you have is a suspicion, based on the play you see the suspect
> program make at the tournament WHICH IS ALREADY IN PROGRESS.
>
> Are you going to stop the whole tournament and examine the suspect
> program for a few hours? Based on someone's _suspicions_ ??
>
> I don't think there is a good answer anywhere in this rat hole!
>
> You either run the risk of someone cheating and winning a tournament
> with a program like Crafty, or you disrupt the tournament and make
> unfounded accusations.
>
> I have another idea, which may not be popular, but here goes:
>
> In an open tournament, any program competes. Bring your open source
> program, modified or not. You're in like a porch climber!
>
> Open source authors, like Dr. Hyatt, would just need to keep their
> strongest version under wraps until after that year's championship.
>
> It seem's odd that someone would make bikes, give them away freely,
> and then say "but you can't race with this bike, against me".
>
> Phooey! Every "bike" can "race" in an open tournament. Every program
> can compete with different settings or "personalities" that Joe or
> Jill Consumer have discovered, and care to enter into the open
> tournament.
>
> If you (as a chess programmer) make your program open source, you need
> to make one version stronger than the source you released, and keep it
> confidential, to compete with an edge in the next open cc tournament.
>
> Result?
>
> Lots of people make lots of little modifications to Crafty and other
> open source chess programs. Most will be bad, but some will be good.
> More competitors, more interest in cc, and any good modifications that
> prove valuable may expand our knowledge of what makes a stronger chess
> program.
>
> Note that I'm not saying anyone has the right to take open source code
> and sell it commercially. I'm only saying for an open tournament,
> every program, of every type, should be allowed to compete.
>
> That clears the air of any claims of cheating, and is in the true
> spirit of an open tournament. IMO
>
> It also makes computer chess more interesting, to more people.
>
> If current open source chess program authors are offended by that, I
> believe they should not make their program open source, anymore, and
> really ask themselves "why did I make this program open source?".
>
>
> Your thoughts?
>
>
> Darrz
>
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