Re: Am I allowed to ask for clarification from bidder?

"David Stevenson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> John Blubaugh wrote
> >Sven, would you let Ed play in your club with the novices and Flight C
> >players with this attitude? Would you have a talk with him about it? What
> >would you do if he kept calling the director for these minute
infractions?
>
>    Who cares?  It is not going to happen.
>
> >I repeat, calling the director will run developing players away from the
> >game about as fast as anything I can think of. If it is necessary, it
must
> >be done very gently and friendly.
>
>    Pray tell, who suggested otherwise?  Only you.  Ed, I, and most other
> people here call the TD to sort out situations: you don't: you call him
> "on" a player.  Sure, I expect your TD calls would upset opponents: mine
> never have, and I bet Ed's don't.
>
> > It takes a while to develop a think bridge
> >skin and not take director calls personally. I have long thought that
bridge
> >manners and director calls ought to be including in teaching. It isn't
here,
> >people are scared to death to turn off these new players. Our record for
> >keeping new players is horrible and when there is a follow-up, the
> >overwhelming cause stated by the newbie is player rudeness.
>
>    Exactly - you think calling the TD equates to player rudeness: I know
> it does not, and so do my opponents.
>
> > I know this is
> >hard for Ed to believe but these folks took up the game to have FUN.
Having
> >the law called on you is far from fun.
>
>    True, which is why we do not do it.
>
> >Some clubs here (Alan LeBendig's is one) have rules against calling the
> >director on novices for some infractions. Hesitations is one of them, nit
> >picking minor rules violations would be another. However, I am sure if
the
> >problem was relayed to the director, he would sit down with these folks
in
> >private and explain what was expected of them.
> >
> >Eternal novices help pay for the game for the rest of us. Without them,
our
> >fees go and more and more clubs die.
>
>    Other players also pay fees.
>
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That does it. David, you are banned from playing in my hypothetical bridge
club before you even arrive. You understand nothing about the novice
player's mentality. I would reject your fees before you got a chance.

This attitude is one of the thing that will doom bridge. Laws nitpickers
trotting out their superior knowledge on baby players. Take the example
given. Do you think the novices would have called the director if the
situation had been reversed? Of course not, that makes that call for the
director harrassment and earns you your invitation to play somewhere else.

In many, many clubs here where novices and other players do mix, it is
announced before the game that there will be no director calls where novices
are involved for hesitation, not matter what the situation. They also state
flat out that director calls with novices present will only be tolerated to
correct mechanical errors at the table.

You are right, we certainly have our share of assholes here, though
obviously no as many per capta as you do. Am I one of them? You betcha, but
NOT in a game with novices involved.

John Blubaugh