Re: Gaming Club Showdowns

>Subject: Re: Gaming Club Showdowns
>From: spamuell [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Date: 12/2/2003 3:00 PM Pacific Standard Time
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>On 02 Dec 2003 21:31:31 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ray Sittup) wrote:
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>>Ah yes, so the person that last acted should get an option to "muck bluff",
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>>then the next person that called should get the same option and so on and so
>>forth? 
>>And then they should add a button for everyone that says" first one over
>might
>>win"?
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>I don't think I expressed myself clearly in the original post, because
>after reading your cardplayer columns I know you understand this rule
>(hell, I probably learnt this from you). I will give an example which
>will hopefully clarify the situation. If the action is headsup by the
>river, with only the SB and the button left, and the action goes as
>follows:
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>- SB bets
>- Button calls
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>On a site like party or stars, or in a B&M room, the SB's hand will
>always be shown and the button will then show his hand if he can beat
>the SB right?
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>On gamingclub, if the button has the winning hand, this is shown
>first, and the SB is given the option to muck his hand or show it (it
>is mucked by default). Surely this is wrong?
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>You make the call.

I was agreeing with you.  The hand that last took action HAS to be shown first,
and then each hand after that is automatically shown if it beats the previous
hand.  If any of the following hands is a loser, then that person should be
given the option to show the hand. 
What Joan was saying is that she wants to be able to muck her hand if she was
the person who last initiated action, which is ridiculous because it would slow
everything down.  Not to mention that it is impossible to fit all of the
options that players think should be on the screen.  I will give you an
example:

Joan bets and is called by 5 players.
At most sites Joans hand is automatically shown. But Joan was bluffing, so she
thinks that all sites should add an option here to muck her hand without it
being shown.
So Joan is now given an option for 5 seconds that says "Muck Bluff".  This neat
little option is squeezed in right next to "Leave Table" because thats the only
place it will fit.  After 4 seconds Joan decideds to Muck.  Now the next
person, who called knowing Joan likes to bluff, also gets the option to muck
his hand without it being shown.  He knows he cant beat 3 overcalls, so he
waits the 4 seconds and mucks his hand.  The next guy is reading RGP so his 5
second "Muck Bluff" times out and his hand is automatically shown.  He now
complains to the site that he wants to be able to turn off that silly "muck
bluf" option because he wont ever use it.  So now the site needs to put in
another option to "Turn Off Muck Bluff', and that will fit right next to the
flop, because that is the only place it will fit.  
Now the hand has taken an extra 30 seconds and there are 2 more worthless
options clogging the screen all because Joan doesnt want her bluffs shown.

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>>Maybe all the sites should just create anther client for options.
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>>>>From: spamuell [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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>>>>Has anyone else noticed that on the gaming club the best hand is
>>>>always shown in a showdown, and all the other hands are mucked unless
>>>>the owner of that hand chooses otherwises, regardless of the action
>>>>that took place on the last round?
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>>>>I feel this is a fairly serious issue, anyone agree with me or is it
>>>>just minor?
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