Re: OT Environmentalists may be in deep Kimchee

On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 06:47:24 GMT, Gunner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 05:48:42 GMT, Carl Byrns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 23:48:14 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard
>>Lewis) wrote:
>>
>>>Carl Byrns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Betcha a bagel he doesn't respond at all- that's his way of dealing
>>>>with anything he can't refute.
>>>
>>>>-Carl
>>>
>>>That's fine, Carl.  I'll be glad to refute you and Ed both.
>>>
>>No, you won't. All I said is Gunner won't reply to anything HE can't
>>refute. So far, I'm three for three.
>>
>>>By my count that is 25 states (those marked **) that allow open
>>>carrying without any sort of permit to buy/carry etc etc etc as per
>>>Gunner's quote.
>>>
>>>Let's all look at the murder numbers now, shall we?  What is that,
>>>3,755 total murders in all those 25 open carry states?  That's in
>>>2000, of course....couldn't find this year's numbers.  The total US
>>>that year had 15,517 murders so that makes 11,762 in states that
>>>restrict open carry as per Gunner's quote....and that makes a grand
>>>total of right at 76% of all murders committed in restricted carry
>>>states etc etc etc.
>>
>>You're skewing your data to fit your argument: you don't provide a
>>body count for 26 states (OK, 25 and D.C.) that limit handgun
>>ownership.
>>None of the open carry states has anything resembling a major metro-
>>you just don't see that many turf wars in Maine.
>>I live near a city that has a lively gang scene that generates a lot
>>of drive-by and walk-up deaths. That kind of criminal activity spikes
>>the state murder rate but if you go 20 miles in any direction away
>>from downtown, and the murder rate drops off to less than one a year
>>(usually a crime of passion).
>>In short, your data isn't worth smoke off shit, because criminal
>>activity doesn't occur at a state or even a county level- it's very
>>localized- block by block. Just because one are of one city has a high
>>crime rate, does that mean the whole state does?  Of course not.
>>
>>BTW- I'm all for responsible firearm ownership. It's just that I don't
>>see that many responsible gun owners.
>>
>>>How's that foot tasting there, dude?
>>
>>Sorry, I don't eat foot. How's the crow?
>>
>>-Carl
>
>
>I see much ado, about per hundred thousand deaths, etc etc..but the
>statement was largely true on the face of it.  Shrug..cherry picking
>is not something unique to the Right...lol..far from it.
>
>If 50% of the states produced 2/3 more homicide than the other 50%
>armed states do..thats pretty darned good, dont you think?  
>
>At the least, it gives the lie to the legend that a legally armed and
>carrying citizenry will produce a blood bath.
>
>Gunner

The facts are so blatant it makes you wonder how many
anti-gunners are being paid to continue spinning
contrived lies. Its either that or some pathology that 
compels them in spite of the facts.



>"[T]he Clinton administration launched an attack on people in Texas 
>because those people were religious nuts with guns. 
>Hell, this country was founded by religious nuts with guns.\
>Who does Bill Clinton think stepped ashore on Plymouth Rock?
>Peace Corps volunteers? Or maybe the people in Texas were attacked
>because of child abuse. But, if child abuse was the issue, 
>why didn't Janet Reno tear-gas Woody Allen?
> -- P.J. O'Rourke, speech at the Cato Institute, May 6, 1993