Re: Say NO NO NO to Wal-Mart!!!

jps wrote:

> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
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> > > How much do you suppose that costs us, the taxpayers?  Golly, lets not 
> > > burden Walmart with having to make certain their employees have adequate 
> > > access to health services.
> >
> > Not their job.  Employer-paid health insurance is, 
> > without question, the worst thing that every happened 
> > in the history of the U.S. economy.  Nothing else even 
> > comes close.
>
>
> Hello?  Reality knocking here!!!

No.

> Presently, it has indeed fallen to employers to provide health 
> insurance.  Until we have a better system it'll continue.

There's no legal requirement for any private sector 
employer to provide health insurance.  It's a lousy 
system that has led to unrealistic expectations on the 
part of the public.

> If you'd like to live in a glossy world of unreality that's your 
> problem.

I don't.

> I live in the real world of having a family, a business and 
> employees who need health insurance for themselves and their families.
>
> I don't burden the public health care system with uninsured employees.

Pay more in salary and wages, and let them buy their 
own insurance.

Get off your pompous high horse, pal.  You don't fool 
anyone.  You pay some amount of money in total employee 
compensation, and it doesn't matter to you one bit if 
you pay all of it in salary, or some in salary and some 
in other benefits.

> > > > Being an economic illiterate, you don't recognize 
> > > > market forces when they're chewing your empty head off.
> > >
> > >
> > > I recognize when globalism is working against us.
> >
> > No, you don't.  You have a whiny leftist's typical 
> > misapprehension - just fucking clueless - about 
> > globalism and trade.  There is NOTHING different about 
> > trade today, merely because some pundits have begun 
> > using the word "globalization".
>
>
>
> Have you attempted to get your Dell computer fixed recently?  You're 
> calling a resident of Bangalore, India who recently took the job vacated 
> by the person who used to work in Denver.

Uh...do you have a point?

> Is this a figment of my imagination or did I just hear that the 
> Republican party is using call centers in India to do fund raising?

If it's efficient, I certainly hope so!

What, exactly, is your problem with businesses in 
foreign countries trying to export to the U.S.?   I 
have news for you, punk:  you do not have a right to 
any *particular* job.

> Is the earth still flat or am I okay to consider it a globe? 
>
>
>
> > > Labor markets overseas 
> > > have neither the cost of living nor the investment capital committed  
> > > to intellectual property.  It shouldn't be sold off to the cheapest 
> > > supplier in an effort to commoditize products.  Corporate scum bleed  
> > > our country of its intellectual property for short term profits and  
> > > stock prices.  Short term thinking, we'll fix it later, a Republican 
> > > mantra.
>
>
> Were you just going to let this go or do you have something pithy to 
> say?

It was bullshit that didn't merit a response.  No one 
is "bleeding" the country of intellectual property.

> > > I wouldn't have survived being at the 
> > > helm of a high tech company for the last dozen years.
> >
> > Non sequitur, and undoubtedly a lie.  You couldn't 
> > survive a week "at the helm of a high tech company" 
> > with the sort of anti-business, stupid, bigoted views 
> > you have.
>
>
>
> I don't think pro-human is necessarily anti-business like you fools who 
> call yourselves "conservatives."  Human capital is more precious and 
> valuable to me than monetary capital.

You just fall completely flat trying to sound like a 
caring capitalist.

> You obviously consider human 
> capital just another commodity.

Right:  it is.

> How sickening.  

Nope:  how realistic.

> You can call me a liar, but, since you have no idea who I am or what I 
> do it decrements your argument and exposes you as an envious fool.  

Nope.

> Assume whatever you like, I speak the truth.

No; you speak your fatuous, naive beliefs.

> Apparently, you cannot 
> handle it like so many "conservatives" before you.

I handle it just fine.

> I run a high tech 
> business that sells into corporate markets in America. I cover my 
> employees health insurance even though it constitutes a significant 
> obligation and impact on our compensation costs.

If your costs rise and continue to rise, which 
effectively constitutes an unnegotiated, unplan RAISE 
for your employees, you're not going to keep paying it.

> Further, I don't 
> discriminate against older hires even though I know it'll affect our 
> insurance costs.  You probably think that's stupid, I think it's my duty 
> as a businessman and responsible citizen.

I think you must have some kind of sweetheart deals 
with your clients.

> > Business is not economics.
>
>
> Oh, really?  Do you run a business or are you just a poseur who 
> pontificates (or should I say defecates) on subjects about which you 
> know little?  

I'm a self employed business computer systems 
consultant.  I pay my own health insurance.

> You abandoned the thread in which you assumed me a bigot after 
> information proved my "bigoted" assumptions were indeed correct.

No, I didn't, liar.  You ARE a bigot, and your 
"information" hardly deserves the word.  It didn't 
prove your bigoted assumptions right at all.

Your angry bigoted claim was that the entire Swiss 
economy was somehow founded on Nazi-linked 
anti-semitism.  You didn't find one goddamned thing to 
support the claim.

> I'm bigoted against blind idiots like you who hide behind dubious 
> "research" of sham organizations like the Employment Policy Foundation.

There's nothing sham about it.  Are their conclusions 
right or wrong, bigot?  Answer the question.  If you 
conclude they're wrong, show supported 
counter-conclusions, not your fatuous and meaningless 
link to a source of funding.


> Why don't you enlighten us a little more on the history and economics of 
> Switzerland?

No.

> Like you I've spent time there but I've also seen what's 
> hiding in the mountains and understand their legacy.

Piss off.  You haven't seen anything.

> Don't try to use 
> them as a shining example of a "service" based economy unless you think 
> having blood on your hands is an acceptable byproduct of a successful 
> economy.

Facts, punk:  do services account for twice as much of 
their GDP as "industry", or don't they?  Answer the 
question.  It's a yes-no question.

> From what you've posted, I expect you're just fine being 
> bloody as long as you're rich.

From what you've posted, I *know* you're just fine 
being an ethnicity-baiting bigot.