Re: XTR M960: Beyond diminishing returns

better yet get him to buy some Race Face NORTH SHORE cranks... guaranteed
for the life of the original owner.


"Rocketman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> "News Subsystem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > what about large people who want something strong? SOmeone I know has
> > snapped 5 crank sets just from the sheer power of his pedalling, he
> > has had to spend over 7 times the amount of money buying his bike than
> > i have buying mine cause he needs something really strong
>
> Which five crank sets has your friend snapped? (brand/model) What makes
you
> think that XTR won't also snap?  Why on earth would you think that getting
> the lightest crank would be the same as getting the strongest crank?  It
> doesn't work like that. XTR cranks will snap under stress. Being XTRa
> Xpensive doesn't allow them to violate the laws of physics and material
> engineering.
>
> Your XXX large friend needs to try some of the welded tubular CrMo steel
> cranks out there. They're about 1/3 the price of XTR, and very, very
tough.
> Have a look at the FSA X-Drive or the AC 454 DH cranks. I'd be shocked if
he
> could even bend them, much less break them.  He might also be a prime
> candidate for the new - and breathtakingly expensive - Shimano Saint DH/FR
> components.  This may be the only high-end racing-oriented
> highly-specialized component group in history that sells *because* it is
> heavy.  Saint seems ready-made for the big mashers and big-air crazies
that
> snap cranks and axles, and ruin rear derailleurs against boulders.  It's
> *very* expensive; but at least it's solving a problem that actually
exists,
> and saving a trip to the hospital with gaping wounds from a razor-sharp
> crank stub gashing open your calf. Gotta say, if it keeps you out of the
> hospital once, it's worth the whole price of admission.
>
> Rocketman
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mon,  1 Dec 2003 14:37:31 CST, "Rocketman"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >XTR M960 Cranks: $450
> > >XTR M960 Brifters: $275
> > >XTR M960 Rear Derailleur: $123
> > >XTR M960 9sp Cassette: $142
> > >XTR M960 Rear Disc Hub: $192
> > >
> > >HA HA HA HA!  Nobody is gonna buy this stuff, are they?
> > >
> > >The weight weenies with more money than sense are gonna line up to drop
> $2k+
> > >on the new XTR line. Does the phrase "diminishing returns" mean
anything
> to
> > >them? I'm betting it doesn't. Shimano is trying to see how much they
can
> get
> > >the logo whores to pay for ugly, trendy bike parts. It's not jewelry,
but
> > >it's priced like gold.
> > >
> > >The new XTR is partially based on 11-year-old technology. Several
> companies
> > >offered similar crank and BB designs in 1992, most notably Magic
> Motorcycle;
> > >but also Bullseye, Sweet Wings and Syncros a few years later. Shimano
has
> > >been borrowing 1993 Magic Motorcycle crank technology for a while now
> > >(square-splined BB, outboard bearings, hollow crankarms).  The only
thing
> > >marginally new are the M960 shifters, and they're just a rehash of Dura
> Ace.
> > >
> > >Meanwhile, all of Shimano's other component lines are going up in
price.
> > >Last season, I bought the new DuraAce mid-cage rear derailleur for $53
> from
> > >JensonUSA.  Right now, JensonUSA lists DuraAce 7800 rear derailleurs
for
> > >$146!!  LX cranks that sold for $59 are now $83.  M753 XT cranks were
> $119.
> > >The new XT cranks are $249!!  That, folks, is a HUGE increase.  Your
next
> > >bike will cost a *lot* more than your last bike did. Low-priced Shimano
> > >sources are drying up quickly. If you're thinking of stocking up, do it
> very
> > >soon.
> > >
> > >Is Shimano begging us to switch to SRAM, or what?
> > >
> > >Rocketman
> >
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