Re: Coalition casualties for November

"Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> Ivan Grozny wrote:
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> > "Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> >>Ivan Grozny wrote:
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> >>>"Captain!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> >>>>"Ivan Grozny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> >>>>>China has put it self into a box on Taiwan. The US is China's
> >>>>>meal ticket. If Taiwan votes for independance, China will have
> >>>>>a big decision to make. Forcing the issue on Taiwan will mean
> >>>>>the loss of its biggest customer, the US.
> >>>>
> >>>>you have touched on a big future issue here. china has openly
> >>>>stated that it will invade taiwan is they declare independance.
> >>>>bush has stated, early in his presidency, that the usa would not
> >>>>allow china to do that.
> >>>
> >>>The simple answer is for Taiwan to become an autonomous part of China
> >>>as per Hong Kong. They can continue to do as they have always done,
> >>>but on paper anyway, the island would be returned to Chinese mainland
> >>>"ownership". This would allow the Chinese to save face, allow the
> >>>Taiwanese their continued freedom and get the US out of a potential
> >>>nuclear war situation.
> >>
> >>Except that Hong Kong is being brought to heel. Its' freedoms are
> >>being ground down. The same would begin to happen in Taiwan.
> >>Moreover the economic capital of Taiwan would then belong to China.
> >
> > OK. So let's get the nukes out. Whomever is left behind should dress
warmly
> > so as to not be adversely affected by the nuclear winter. The skiing
should
> > be nice though.
> >
> Hey! I was merely pointing up the flaws in your arguements. :-\

I thought I made a mistake once, but I was wrong.

> What you are proposing is one way for the US to lose graciously.

Nope. Just pointing out that the realities have changed. I would not
interpret pragatism as losing graciously.
In fact, nobody has to lose anything. The losers will be Taiwan is they
foolishly force the issue.

> Attempting to minimize the losses, or at least drag them out.
> But your optimistic spin and presenting it as Chinese saving face
> doesn't fly.
>

But that is what it's all about. Same as for China putting a man on the
moon. There is no point other than to show China is a player on the world
stage. China suffers from the same inferiority complex as Russia, thus the
irrational behavior.