Re: OT:Hey Europeans - which diesel car in Europe gets the best fuel mileage?

"T.E." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>"Jeff York" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>> "Dale \"Friggin\" Carnegie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 19:36:14 +0000, Jeff York <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >wrote:
>> >>"Dale \"Friggin\" Carnegie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>>On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 14:14:06 -0600, "Frank...." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>>>Spongecake Brainpan wrote:
>> >>>>> On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:02:29 -0800, "Logan Spitznauer"
>> >>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>>>>>The one piggy backing on a flat bed lorry.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Just what is it that's behind this particularly European perversion
>of
>> >>>>> fitting filthy choking stuttering diesel motors to otherwise decent
>> >>>>> automobiles?  ...And, while were at it; the singularly English
>> >>>>> fetishism of "replica kit cars"?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Don't know about the emissions but the diesel VW camper I drove to Le
>Mans
>> >>>>was indistingushable from a gasoline engine, except at idle. Then it
>had
>> >>>>the sound but never the smoke. Not once did I see any smoke and the
>smell
>> >>>>was rarely evident, even when I ran it for a half hour or so to charge
>the
>> >>>>battery.
>> >>>
>> >>>I got stuck, and I mean stuck; behind a diesel Golf this morning...
>> >>>
>> >>>Spewing soot like a 19th century locomotive, it turned the freshly
>> >>>fallen snow on the hood of my car sooty-London-black in the 30sec it
>> >>>took to get around it...  And diesel is more expensive than
>> >>>high-octane in these parts.
>> >>>
>> >>>...What a bloody farce.
>> >>
>> >>OK..  So we've established that where you are (a) you have shit spec
>> >>old diesels, and (2) petrol's very cheap..
>> >>
>> >>So fucking what??
>> >>
>> >>It bears no relation to the experience we have with diesels in the
>> >>more civilised part of the planet.
>> >
>> >Perversion
>>
>> As I said above - "So fucking what??"
>>
>> >You have no idea, how I laughed, despite being delayed to a very
>> >important appointment.
>>
>> And you've no idea how much I laughed at your pathetically parochial
>> view..
>>
>> >I just knew, somehow, this atrocity would be made my fault by this
>> >"august" forum.
>> >
>> >...Total perversion.
>>
>> Total lack of weltanschauung more like..  :)
>
>Doesn't using the term "civilised" like a culturally neutral evaluation
>demonstrate a lack of weltanschauung?

No.  If anything it demonstrates anything *but* a lack, and I wasn't
using "civilised" as a "cultural neutral", I was, I thought, quite
clearly stating that I considered Europe generally to be more
"civilised" than the USA.

Err.. I take it that you do know what "weltanschauung" means?

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