Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers)

"Lloyd Parker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>    "The Ancient One" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >"Lloyd Parker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >>    "David J. Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >"C. E. White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "David J. Allen" wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Reminds me of my experience in a country a few years ago that had
> >"free"
> >> >> > (i.e., rationed)  medical care for all.  The demand for care
> >outstripped
> >> >the
> >> >> > supply and the only people who got decent medical care were the
> >people
> >> >with
> >> >> > money, who could pay for a private doctor.  Everyone else had to
go
> >wait
> >> >in
> >> >> > line at the clinic and hope for decent care.
> >> >>
> >> >> So now you live in a country where health care is ridiculously
> >expensive.
> >> >Most
> >> >> of the money goes to insurance companies. Nurses in the emergency
room
> >> >spend
> >> >> more time filling out paperwork than looking after patients. Doctors
> >live
> >> >in
> >> >> fear of making an honest mistake because the sharks are circulating
> >just
> >> >out of
> >> >> sight ready to pounce.  If you are poor the health care is still
> >"free."
> >> >If you
> >> >> are rich or have really good insurance, then the system is great.
> >However
> >> >if you
> >> >> are somewhere in between, chances are your insurance company will
try
> >to
> >> >screw
> >> >> you, while the hospital tries to bleed your dry (to pay for the
> >> >administrators,
> >> >> paper pushers, and to cover the cost of the "free" health care for
the
> >> >poor).
> >> >> The fact is, we do have National Health Care in the US. The sad part
> >is,
> >> >we have
> >> >> just about the worst possible system you can imagine. Personally I
see
> >> >only two
> >> >> ways out - 1) A true National Health Care system with restrictions
on
> >> >"private"
> >> >> practices, 2) Outlaw all health insurance and shoot anyone who even
> >> >suggests
> >> >> that companies provide health insurance. Everyone pays their own
bills.
> >If
> >> >you
> >> >> can't afford the treatment, you can apply for welfare (which would
be
> >> >generously
> >> >> granted based on need).
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >There's no shortage of things to criticize about health care in the
US.
> >> >But, with the right perspective, it can be judged a very good system.
I
> >> >remember getting my first job and insurance was completely paid for by
> >the
> >> >company and there were no co-pays and only a small deductible.  The
> >problem
> >> >with that is that it's so inflationary; patients didn't care what the
> >cost
> >> >was.  Over the last 15 years the cost burden is being "shared" more
and
> >more
> >> >with the patients.  The cost of care is not distributed evenly.  Those
> >who
> >> >pay, pay a lot.  The cost of developing drugs and procedures is very
> >> >expensive.  You're right about the cost of providing free care to the
> >poor
> >> >and paying for malpractice litigation.  Managed care puts the brakes
on
> >> >demand making it frustrating for patients whose health is at stake.
> >> >
> >> >With managed care, when you do your homework as a "consumer" of
medical
> >care
> >> >and understand how the HMO system works, you CAN get what you need.
As
> >> >consumers, we have to do our part and understand what you're paying
for
> >and
> >> >what the contract says.  Then work with it.  Unfortunately, it's
complex
> >and
> >> >not real easy since there's three parties... you, the provider and the
> >> >insurer.  But it is possible.
> >> >
> >> >I think a National Health Care system sounds very scary.  If we want
an
> >> >abundant supply of medical care in this country you can't take the
supply
> >> >and demand components out of the system.  The minute you do, there
won't
> >be
> >> >enough care and it will be substandard.  There will be a constant
> >struggle
> >> >to keep the system from bankrupting the national treasury.  I think it
> >will
> >> >just become a giant sized version of an HMO run by the government with
no
> >> >competitors.
> >>
> >> Yeah, it'd be terrible if everybody were covered and we spent less on
> >health
> >> care, as Europe, Canada, and Japan do, wouldn't it?  Terrible for
> >insurance
> >> companies, drug companies, HMOs, etc, that is.
> >>
> >
> >Explain then Lloyd why bus loads of Canadians with life threating health
> >problems are forced to come to the USA for treatment at their own
expense.
> >Sure they can get free care in Canada, IF they can wait 6 months to a
year
> >for treatment.
> >
> >
>
> Like asking why people travel to Mexico for Christmas trees.  It simply
does
> not happen.


Your lying Lloyd, it happens every week. Crawl out of your shell and learn,
repeatedly denying the existance of problems does not make them go away.
>
> Read, for example,
> http://www.worldpolicy.org/globalrights/econrights/canada-health.html
>
> or
>
>
http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/clamen/misc/politics/HealthCare/
Co
> nsumerReports-Sep92.html.gz#Does%20Canada%20Have%20The%20Answer?
>

Consumer Reports have no more credibility than you do Lloyd, which is 0.