Re: Cayenne vs Touareg

That is correct and if you look the Piech and Porsche family still own 50%
of Porsche Ag.

As for the Touareg (which I have one).  All of the Touareg engines are VW
except for the V8 which is the 4.2L V8 that is in the Audi A8.  The 3.2L V6
is actually a VW engine that Audi is going to use in the new Audi TT with
the DSG transmission (which is also VW).  The V-10 TDI Diesel is not
currently available in the US but is supposed to be a 2004 mid year release
in the US.

Porsche and VW spent 600,000,000 million combined on devolping the Cayenne
and Touareg.  They went there seperate ways 2 years before they each
launched there vehicles as that was one of Dr.Ferdinand Piech's big things
is he wanted all of the VW Ag companies to share technologies but not build
clone cars like the Americans, but be able to share resources.

The Touareg is actually built in Brataslava Slovokia and the besides the
basic frame the transmissions (although they are programmed differently) are
the same 6 speed tiptronic. (Which is actually Japanese).  Audi is now going
to dump the future development of the All-Road and move the the Touareg
frame with there new model the Pikes Peak.

Steve T.

"Stephen H. Westin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> E Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > On 20 Oct 2003 12:58:56 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > (Stephen H. Westin) wrote:
> > >As others have pointed out, no. They have had a pretty close
> > >association over the years, though:
> > >
> > >o Porsche did the original engineering for the Beetle and some
> > >  derivatives before they ever built their own car.
> > >
> > >o The original Porsche 356 borrowed heavily from the Beetle design
> > >  and componentry.
> > >
> > >o Many VW models were engineered by Porsche.
> > >
> > >o The 914 was an odd joint venture; Porsche dealers sold it with a
> > >  6-cylinder Porsche engine as a Porsche; VW sold it with a VW
> > >  Transporter engine as a VW-Porsche.
> > >
> > >o The Porsche 924 was originally designed for VW; when VW dropped
> > >  the project, it was manufactured in the old (VW-owned) NSU plant
> > >  for Porsche. It was based heavily on VW componentry (LT engine,
> > >  Super Beetle suspension, VW transaxle) and developed into the 944
> > >  and 968, which had a Porsche engine and ventured farther from its
> > >  VW origins.
> >
> > All of this misses the important part: why.
> > The Porsche family (which still owns the company, for all intents
> > and purposes) withdrew from the running of the company in the late
> > 70s, but they are closely entwined via marriage with the Peich family,
> > which owns/controls the VW/Audi car groups (which owns Bugatti and
> > Lamborghini, as someone pointed out).
>
> No, they don't. Ferdinand Piech is/was head of VAG; his mom was
> sister to Ferry Porsche (i.e. daughter of the original Ferdinand
> Porsche), and he worked at Porsche for years before going on to Audi
> and up the management ladder.
>
> Ownership has been more complicated. The original VW was a project of
> DAF, the Nazi labor union group. After the war, the Allies passed on
> the opportunity to take it over, so the German federal and state
> governments (Niedersachsen, I think) took over as recovery
> started. State ownership has diminished through the years.
>
> > The Porsches don't run their own
> > company, but have run VW/Audi for decades.
>
> No, Piech took the helm at Audi in 1988, VAG in 1993. He stepped down
> in 2002, and remains on the VAG board.
> <http://www.businessweek.com/1999/02/b3611034.htm>
> <http://www.rasscass.com/templ/te_bio.php?PID=168&RID=1> (German)
>
> <snip>
>
> -- 
> -Stephen H. Westin
> Any information or opinions in this message are mine: they do not
> represent the position of Cornell University or any of its sponsors.