Re: OT: Israel vs Palestine

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Pete McCutchen 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 16:51:52 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (cassandras
> morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges) wrote:
> 
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Pete McCutchen
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 21:46:37 -0800, Crowfoot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> 
> >> >Agreed, absolutely, but it will never happen.  The American "Jewish 
> >> >Lobby" so beloved of anti-Semites has in fact become a reality in 
> >> >modern 
> >> >times, expressing the guilt of American Jews who wouldn't dream of 
> >> >moving to Israel but who expiate their guilt about this by supporting 
> >> >an 
> >> >oppressive regime with fanatical devotion and complete refusal to 
> >> >recognize the crimes that have been and continue to be committed 
> >> >against 
> >> >the Palestinians by religious fanatics who happen to be Jews.  
> >> >Religious 
> >> >fanatics are poisonous to everything around them, no matter WHAT 
> >> >their 
> >> >faith.
> >> 
> >> So, does that last principle include Muslim religious fanatics? 

ABSOLUTELY.  Also Christian fanatics and Hindu fanatics and any other 
kind you can think of. They are all functionally crazy, and very, very 
dangerous to the continuation of life on this planet.  

> >see anybody around here making excuses for them
> 
> Well, as a matter of fact, both you and Suzy seem to be doing so.

Hardly, in my case.  See above.  I don't know what the muslims would do 
if they were in control of Israel, though I know what some of them say 
they would do (and also what many others, who are just exhausted by the 
violence from both sides, say, which is quite different); I *do* know 
what the Israeli administration and the settlers *are* doing, and it is 
just plain unethical and piratical, and counter to everything I was 
taught about fairness and ethics by my Jewish family.  I do not believe 
in the doctrine of the pre-emptive strike, which seems to be the entire 
motivation behind Sharon's policies these days.  

The anti-Zionist Jews who said that the creation of a Jewish 
nation-State would be the ruin of Jewish ethical standards (which would 
be replaced by perfectly ordinary and more or less ruthless "natiional" 
interests) were, in my opinion, dead solid right.  

Which does not excuse Arab atrocities, in my view.  I hold with the 
moderates who subscribe to the unofficial peace treaty just signed by 
persons with no power to implement it, but power to express the will of 
sane people on both sides; and bravo to them.

SMC

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Crowfoot