Re: "You must complete your training" / Hell

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> >>>>>>>>>>> Policraticus: The Real McEwok wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> "There is no Light Side"...
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> According to the movies...no.  Not that I can think of.  Can
> >>>>>>>>>>> you think of any dialogue that mentions the existence of a
> >>>>>>>>>>> Light Side? There is only talk about The Force and the Dark
> >>>>>>>>>>> Side of the Force.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Back when I cared enough to transcribe every word in the OT
> >>>>>>>>> that I thought might shed light on the mysteries of Star Wars,
> >>>>>>>>> I created this page:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
http://users.rcn.com/weanderson/what_the_dark_side_is_and_isnt.htm
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I haven't gone through everything I wrote, but I seem to
> >>>>>>>>> recall the term "light side" was never used.  I actually
> >>>>>>>>> thought the term "good side"
> >>>>>>>>> was used in one of the films, but I may be just confusing
> >>>>>>>>> what I wrote on that page with actual dialogue.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I don't think there is any reference to "light" or "good"
> >>>>>>>> sides. I think we just automatically think of a light side
> >>>>>>>> when we hear "dark side".
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I'm more of the opinion that the dark side refers selfish
> >>>>>>>> desires and not some actual force.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Don't be selfish, give yourself to the force.  Hmmmm....
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It's not like anyone has a choice.  It's the natural order of
> >>>>>> things.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I can choose slap you and steal your money... that's not giving
> >>>>> myself to the force.
> >>>>
> >>>> And I can choose to kick your ass for doing it.  That's not giving
> >>>> myself to the Force either.
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> Doesn't Vader give into hate?  Hate is a power that is spawned
> >>>>>>> from the darkside [is love spawned from the Force?][is love the
> >>>>>>> opposite of hate?].
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> What the feck are you talking about?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Vader chose to give into a "Side" of the force.
> >>>>
> >>>> The selfish side.
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> The emperor says to Luke "Give into your hate ... and your
> >>>>>>> journey towards the darkside will be complete".  Its not as if
> >>>>>>> the voyager toward the Dark Side [once they have given in] can
> >>>>>>> make desicions as easily anymore, once they have given into
> >>>>>>> hate, they seem to be bound by it somehow [the Dark Side is
> >>>>>>> like smoking crack].  They can't just hate this minute and love
> >>>>>>> the next as a moment by moment desicion making process.  The
> >>>>>>> Dark Side enslaves, So I disagree with your "selfish desires"
> >>>>>>> concept.  It's not that simple or easy.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In any natural order there are laws to be obeyed and consequences
> >>>>>> for trying to break those laws.  Defy gravity and you're going to
> >>>>>> get hurt.  In a GFFA the natural order is such that people live
> >>>>>> in harmony with the Force. Work against that natural order and
> >>>>>> there are consequences.  Like becoming corrupted and getting old
> >>>>>> and wrinkly and monkey eyed.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So the Force is the natural order.  The Darkside is opposed to the
> >>>>> Force?
> >>>>> I don't think so, I think Vader uses the Force just like anyone
> >>>>> else, but he uses different, more addictive, elements.
> >>>>
> >>>> Giving into our selfish desires can be addictive.
> >>>
> >>> Can be, but not forever dominating your destiny.  I wonder if there
> >>> is an AA for DarkSide users?
> >>
> >> Well if you remember correctly...Yoda was wrong about that.
> >
> > He was wrong about the redemptive side of the Force.
> > "Obi-Wan once thought as you do."
> > Evidently Yoda had no reason to believe in redemption.
> > Vader's redemption was an anomaly.
> > So the DarkSide does dominate you.  You cannot turn from the DarkSide
> > unless brought back with help, and that help must be in love--See
> > Vader's connection with Padme, he is capable of love.  You cannot
> > choose Light by yourself after choosing Dark, one follower of light
> > must follow you into darkness and surround you with light in hopes
> > that your eyes will open.
>
> What a bunch of drivel.

Ah-Ha! Give up so easily?
I win.

-Muuurgh
For every winner [Me], there are dozens of losers [You].
Dozens of C'Pi

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> C'Pi
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> Odds are you're one of them.
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