Re: "You must complete your training" / Hell

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>>>>>>>>>>> Policraticus: The Real McEwok wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "There is no Light Side"...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> According to the movies...no.  Not that I can think of.  Can
>>>>>>>>>>> you think of any dialogue that mentions the existence of a
>>>>>>>>>>> Light Side? There is only talk about The Force and the Dark
>>>>>>>>>>> Side of the Force.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Back when I cared enough to transcribe every word in the OT
>>>>>>>>> that I thought might shed light on the mysteries of Star Wars,
>>>>>>>>> I created this page:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://users.rcn.com/weanderson/what_the_dark_side_is_and_isnt.htm
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I haven't gone through everything I wrote, but I seem to
>>>>>>>>> recall the term "light side" was never used.  I actually
>>>>>>>>> thought the term "good side"
>>>>>>>>> was used in one of the films, but I may be just confusing
>>>>>>>>> what I wrote on that page with actual dialogue.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't think there is any reference to "light" or "good"
>>>>>>>> sides. I think we just automatically think of a light side
>>>>>>>> when we hear "dark side".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm more of the opinion that the dark side refers selfish
>>>>>>>> desires and not some actual force.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't be selfish, give yourself to the force.  Hmmmm....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's not like anyone has a choice.  It's the natural order of
>>>>>> things.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can choose slap you and steal your money... that's not giving
>>>>> myself to the force.
>>>>
>>>> And I can choose to kick your ass for doing it.  That's not giving
>>>> myself to the Force either.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Doesn't Vader give into hate?  Hate is a power that is spawned
>>>>>>> from the darkside [is love spawned from the Force?][is love the
>>>>>>> opposite of hate?].
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What the feck are you talking about?
>>>>>
>>>>> Vader chose to give into a "Side" of the force.
>>>>
>>>> The selfish side.
>>>>
>>>>>>> The emperor says to Luke "Give into your hate ... and your
>>>>>>> journey towards the darkside will be complete".  Its not as if
>>>>>>> the voyager toward the Dark Side [once they have given in] can
>>>>>>> make desicions as easily anymore, once they have given into
>>>>>>> hate, they seem to be bound by it somehow [the Dark Side is
>>>>>>> like smoking crack].  They can't just hate this minute and love
>>>>>>> the next as a moment by moment desicion making process.  The
>>>>>>> Dark Side enslaves, So I disagree with your "selfish desires"
>>>>>>> concept.  It's not that simple or easy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In any natural order there are laws to be obeyed and consequences
>>>>>> for trying to break those laws.  Defy gravity and you're going to
>>>>>> get hurt.  In a GFFA the natural order is such that people live
>>>>>> in harmony with the Force. Work against that natural order and
>>>>>> there are consequences.  Like becoming corrupted and getting old
>>>>>> and wrinkly and monkey eyed.
>>>>>
>>>>> So the Force is the natural order.  The Darkside is opposed to the
>>>>> Force?
>>>>> I don't think so, I think Vader uses the Force just like anyone
>>>>> else, but he uses different, more addictive, elements.
>>>>
>>>> Giving into our selfish desires can be addictive.
>>>
>>> Can be, but not forever dominating your destiny.  I wonder if there
>>> is an AA for DarkSide users?
>>
>> Well if you remember correctly...Yoda was wrong about that.
>
> He was wrong about the redemptive side of the Force.
> "Obi-Wan once thought as you do."
> Evidently Yoda had no reason to believe in redemption.
> Vader's redemption was an anomaly.
> So the DarkSide does dominate you.  You cannot turn from the DarkSide
> unless brought back with help, and that help must be in love--See
> Vader's connection with Padme, he is capable of love.  You cannot
> choose Light by yourself after choosing Dark, one follower of light
> must follow you into darkness and surround you with light in hopes
> that your eyes will open.

What a bunch of drivel.
-- 
C'Pi
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