Re: "You must complete your training" / Hell

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> Muuurgh wrote:
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> >>>> Muuurgh wrote:
> >>>>> What if Luke listened.  What would have happened if he stayed on
> >>>>> Degobah?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Usually when a master/parental figure tells one to do something,
> >>>>> they have good reason, and usually it's the wisest choice.  But
> >>>>> oft times the student/teenage kid will do his own thing.  Now if
> >>>>> what the master/parental figure is right, which is usually the
> >>>>> case and in this case lets assume he was; would Yoda's
> >>>>> instruction led Luke on a straighter less dangerous path? Which
> >>>>> leads to the conclusion; Yoda was "afraid" that Luke would meet
> >>>>> his Father and be turned to the Dark Side -- "remember the cave".
> >>>>> So he wanted Luke to wait for the inevitable to happen -- Han
> >>>>> Solo's imprisonment -- then after Vader was long gone Luke could
> >>>>> rescue his friends from Jabba.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> All-in-all the story would have had the same out come, the Empire
> >>>>> would have fallen to the Rebellion, only Vader would have passed
> >>>>> into darkness.  Which leads to my other question:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Where do Sith go when they die?  Is there not an afterlife "hell"
> >>>>> for bad people in the galaxy a long time ago and far far away?
> >>>>> Han mentions one in ESB, if hell is eternal then it must have
> >>>>> existed, so why are these spiritual people not afraid of death?
> >>>>> Their religion seems to revolve around it, there is a very slim
> >>>>> chance that you will actually be powerful enough to be the
> >>>>> strongest, it's only a matter of time before you are usurped and
> >>>>> destroyed.  I'd think that the concept of "hell" would be taught
> >>>>> to Jedi students.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In other words:
> >>>>> Why would Obi-Wan become stronger?  Is Vader not aware of this
> >>>>> concept? Where would Vader have gone if not saved by Luke?  Does
> >>>>> he become powerful as well?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Stretching it:
> >>>>> Perhaps there is spiritual warfare, where the balance of the
> >>>>> force is played out among the dead Jedi and Sith.  Both become
> >>>>> powerful, both fight eternally with consequences in the galaxy a
> >>>>> long time ago and far far away. Only the Jedi care to involve
> >>>>> themselves with the people that are still "alive", Sith could
> >>>>> care less so they never show up and simply try and destroy the
> >>>>> good works of the force in their own power.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The stories lead us to assume that Sith *blip* out of existence,
> >>>>> while the Jedi remain in one happy, slightly transparent, slightly
> >>>>> blue family.  Has anyone ever written a book on the religion of
> >>>>> the force?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> By gol, I'm going to write one : The Book of Muuurgh : It's got a
> >>>>> nice ring to it.
> >>>>
> >>>> It would help if you actually knew the story better.  Yoda,
> >>>> Obi-Wan, and Anakin at the end of ROTJ are not a bunch of angels
> >>>> sitting in the afterlife.  Or standing as the case may be.  From
> >>>> what Lucas has said, when someone dies they become part of the
> >>>> Force.  Yoda and Obi-Wan were using a Jedi skill that kept them
> >>>> from becoming part of the Force.  They were more like ghosts than
> >>>> angels.
> >>>>
> >>>> Therefore, there is no heaven or hell.  There is only the Force,
> >>>> and when somebody dies in a GFFA they become part of that Force.
> >>>
> >>> So where is Darth Maul?  Did he retain his identity or was he
> >>> diffused?
> >>
> >> Nobody retains their identity.  All are eventually diffused.
> >
> > Then what's the point in caring, if there is no afterlife?  Everyone
> > just gets diffused anyway.  Descisions don't matter, I could kill
> > without consequence.  If that is the case then Sith makes the most
> > sense, because it seems that to be selfish for your minor tenure in
> > GFFA would be your only reward.
>
> It's probably why a GFFA is so hedonistic.

Then Jedi are stupid.  Why waste your talents on helping people?
Maybe thats why han Solo is my hero.  He got it right.

-Muuurgh


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