Re: "You must complete your training" / Hell

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> >>>> Bill Anderson wrote:
> >>>>> Muuurgh wrote:
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> >>>>>>> Policraticus: The Real McEwok wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "There is no Light Side"...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> According to the movies...no.  Not that I can think of.  Can you
> >>>>>>> think of any dialogue that mentions the existence of a Light
> >>>>>>> Side? There is only talk about The Force and the Dark Side of
> >>>>>>> the Force.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Back when I cared enough to transcribe every word in the OT that I
> >>>>> thought might shed light on the mysteries of Star Wars, I created
> >>>>> this page:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://users.rcn.com/weanderson/what_the_dark_side_is_and_isnt.htm
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I haven't gone through everything I wrote, but I seem to recall
> >>>>> the term "light side" was never used.  I actually thought the
> >>>>> term "good side"
> >>>>> was used in one of the films, but I may be just confusing what I
> >>>>> wrote on that page with actual dialogue.
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't think there is any reference to "light" or "good" sides.
> >>>> I think we just automatically think of a light side when we hear
> >>>> "dark side".
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm more of the opinion that the dark side refers selfish desires
> >>>> and not some actual force.
> >>>
> >>> Don't be selfish, give yourself to the force.  Hmmmm....
> >>
> >> It's not like anyone has a choice.  It's the natural order of things.
> >
> > I can choose slap you and steal your money... that's not giving
> > myself to the force.
>
> And I can choose to kick your ass for doing it.  That's not giving myself
to
> the Force either.
>
> >>> Doesn't Vader give into hate?  Hate is a power that is spawned from
> >>> the darkside [is love spawned from the Force?][is love the opposite
> >>> of hate?].
> >>
> >> What the feck are you talking about?
> >
> > Vader chose to give into a "Side" of the force.
>
> The selfish side.
>
> >>> The emperor says to Luke "Give into your hate ... and your journey
> >>> towards the darkside will be complete".  Its not as if the voyager
> >>> toward the Dark Side [once they have given in] can make desicions
> >>> as easily anymore, once they have given into hate, they seem to be
> >>> bound by it somehow [the Dark Side is like smoking crack].  They
> >>> can't just hate this minute and love the next as a moment by moment
> >>> desicion making process.  The Dark Side enslaves, So I disagree
> >>> with your "selfish desires" concept.  It's not that simple or easy.
> >>
> >> In any natural order there are laws to be obeyed and consequences
> >> for trying to break those laws.  Defy gravity and you're going to
> >> get hurt.  In a GFFA the natural order is such that people live in
> >> harmony with the Force. Work against that natural order and there
> >> are consequences.  Like becoming corrupted and getting old and
> >> wrinkly and monkey eyed.
> >
> > So the Force is the natural order.  The Darkside is opposed to the
> > Force?
> > I don't think so, I think Vader uses the Force just like anyone else,
> > but he uses different, more addictive, elements.
>
> Giving into our selfish desires can be addictive.

Can be, but not forever dominating your destiny.  I wonder if there is an AA
for DarkSide users?
>
> >>> -Muuurgh
> >>> C'Pi is a Crack head.
> >>
> >> I thought I was a smack whore.
> >
> > Nope.  Crack head.
>
> Well that's what I get for dropping acid.

Yep.

-Muuurgh

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> C'Pi
> For every winner, there are dozens of losers.
> Odds are you're one of them.
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