Re: "You must complete your training" / Hell

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>>>>>>> Policraticus: The Real McEwok wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "There is no Light Side"...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> According to the movies...no.  Not that I can think of.  Can you
>>>>>>> think of any dialogue that mentions the existence of a Light
>>>>>>> Side? There is only talk about The Force and the Dark Side of
>>>>>>> the Force.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Back when I cared enough to transcribe every word in the OT that I
>>>>> thought might shed light on the mysteries of Star Wars, I created
>>>>> this page:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://users.rcn.com/weanderson/what_the_dark_side_is_and_isnt.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> I haven't gone through everything I wrote, but I seem to recall
>>>>> the term "light side" was never used.  I actually thought the
>>>>> term "good side"
>>>>> was used in one of the films, but I may be just confusing what I
>>>>> wrote on that page with actual dialogue.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think there is any reference to "light" or "good" sides.
>>>> I think we just automatically think of a light side when we hear
>>>> "dark side".
>>>>
>>>> I'm more of the opinion that the dark side refers selfish desires
>>>> and not some actual force.
>>>
>>> Don't be selfish, give yourself to the force.  Hmmmm....
>>
>> It's not like anyone has a choice.  It's the natural order of things.
>
> I can choose slap you and steal your money... that's not giving
> myself to the force.

And I can choose to kick your ass for doing it.  That's not giving myself to
the Force either.

>>> Doesn't Vader give into hate?  Hate is a power that is spawned from
>>> the darkside [is love spawned from the Force?][is love the opposite
>>> of hate?].
>>
>> What the feck are you talking about?
>
> Vader chose to give into a "Side" of the force.

The selfish side.

>>> The emperor says to Luke "Give into your hate ... and your journey
>>> towards the darkside will be complete".  Its not as if the voyager
>>> toward the Dark Side [once they have given in] can make desicions
>>> as easily anymore, once they have given into hate, they seem to be
>>> bound by it somehow [the Dark Side is like smoking crack].  They
>>> can't just hate this minute and love the next as a moment by moment
>>> desicion making process.  The Dark Side enslaves, So I disagree
>>> with your "selfish desires" concept.  It's not that simple or easy.
>>
>> In any natural order there are laws to be obeyed and consequences
>> for trying to break those laws.  Defy gravity and you're going to
>> get hurt.  In a GFFA the natural order is such that people live in
>> harmony with the Force. Work against that natural order and there
>> are consequences.  Like becoming corrupted and getting old and
>> wrinkly and monkey eyed.
>
> So the Force is the natural order.  The Darkside is opposed to the
> Force?
> I don't think so, I think Vader uses the Force just like anyone else,
> but he uses different, more addictive, elements.

Giving into our selfish desires can be addictive.

>>> -Muuurgh
>>> C'Pi is a Crack head.
>>
>> I thought I was a smack whore.
>
> Nope.  Crack head.

Well that's what I get for dropping acid.
-- 
C'Pi
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