Re: "You must complete your training" / Hell

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> > > Bill Anderson wrote:
> > > > Muuurgh wrote:
> > > >> "C'Pi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > > >>> Policraticus: The Real McEwok wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> "There is no Light Side"...
> > > >>>
> > > >>> According to the movies...no.  Not that I can think of.  Can you
> > > >>> think of any dialogue that mentions the existence of a Light Side?
> > > >>> There is only talk about The Force and the Dark Side of the Force.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > Back when I cared enough to transcribe every word in the OT that I
> > > > thought might shed light on the mysteries of Star Wars, I created
> > > > this page:
> > > >
> > > > http://users.rcn.com/weanderson/what_the_dark_side_is_and_isnt.htm
> > > >
> > > > I haven't gone through everything I wrote, but I seem to recall the
> > > > term "light side" was never used.  I actually thought the term "good
> > > > side"
> > > > was used in one of the films, but I may be just confusing what I
wrote
> > > > on that page with actual dialogue.
> > >
> > > I don't think there is any reference to "light" or "good" sides.  I
> think
> > we
> > > just automatically think of a light side when we hear "dark side".
> > >
> > > I'm more of the opinion that the dark side refers selfish desires and
> not
> > > some actual force.
> >
> > Don't be selfish, give yourself to the force.  Hmmmm....
>
> It's not like anyone has a choice.  It's the natural order of things.

I can choose slap you and steal your money... that's not giving myself to
the force.

>
> > Doesn't Vader give into hate?  Hate is a power that is spawned from the
> > darkside [is love spawned from the Force?][is love the opposite of
hate?].
>
> What the feck are you talking about?

Vader chose to give into a "Side" of the force.

>
> > The emperor says to Luke "Give into your hate ... and your journey
towards
> > the darkside will be complete".  Its not as if the voyager toward the
Dark
> > Side [once they have given in] can make desicions as easily anymore,
once
> > they have given into hate, they seem to be bound by it somehow [the Dark
> > Side is like smoking crack].  They can't just hate this minute and love
> the
> > next as a moment by moment desicion making process.  The Dark Side
> enslaves,
> > So I disagree with your "selfish desires" concept.  It's not that simple
> or
> > easy.
>
> In any natural order there are laws to be obeyed and consequences for
trying
> to break those laws.  Defy gravity and you're going to get hurt.  In a
GFFA
> the natural order is such that people live in harmony with the Force.
Work
> against that natural order and there are consequences.  Like becoming
> corrupted and getting old and wrinkly and monkey eyed.

So the Force is the natural order.  The Darkside is opposed to the Force?
I don't think so, I think Vader uses the Force just like anyone else, but he
uses different, more addictive, elements.

>
> > -Muuurgh
> > C'Pi is a Crack head.
>
> I thought I was a smack whore.

Nope.  Crack head.

-Muuurgh


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> C'Pi
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