Re: "You must complete your training" / Hell

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>>>>>>>> Aye, it was. You're starting to sound like a young Bill
>>>>>>>> Anderson.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It would have been a possible interpretation of the OT,
>>>>>>>> certainly. Now, however, Lucas is portraying the Force as a
>>>>>>>> world-soul that absorbs the seperateness and personalities of
>>>>>>>> dead Jedi... the RPG is going as far as to say that fuzzy blue
>>>>>>>> ghosts "defy the will of the Force" by retaining their
>>>>>>>> individuality...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which leads on to the question - is the Force *right*? Does it
>>>>>>>> even *really* have a moral dimension at all? Or is it just
>>>>>>>> energy? Just power?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Force is *wrong*, the evil embodiment of the commie
>>>>>>> hive-mind. By retaining their own identities, Ben, Anakin, and
>>>>>>> Yoda and striking out for democracy and becoming the catalyst
>>>>>>> for a Force based on freedom. This is what the prophecy truly
>>>>>>> means by "bringing balance to the force".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you basing this on anything? Or just taking the mick?
>>>>>
>>>>> Since exactly what "bringing balance to the force" means is never
>>>>> spelled out for us, I'll throw that theory into the ring. Now if I
>>>>> just knew what "Taking the mick" meant.
>>>>
>>>> Lucas has already spelled out what "balance of the Force" means.
>>>> It is the destruction of the Sith that brings balance to the Force.
>>>
>>> We don't know at exactly what point the force is "balanced". Perhaps
>>> when there are two Sith Lords and two Jedi left at the end of
>>> Episode 3 the prophecy is fulfilled. The rest is after the fact.
>>
>> Tell me you're not serious.
>
> I don't know, I kinda like it ;0)

I like the idea of weighing them and then making sure they stay on a strict
diet.

Just to keep everything in balance.

>>>>> Sith users disappear into the whole of the force and become part
>>>>> of it, as they are evil. Good force users can overcome this and
>>>>> retain their identity.
>>>>
>>>> Only for a short time.  They then become part of the Force.
>>>
>>> Eh? Obi-Wan is killed in ANH and years later still has his own
>>> identity (at the end of ROTJ).
>>
>> Which is a short time.  Especially when compared to eternity.
>>
>>> And where it is ever shown or stated
>>> in the movies that they lose their individuality?
>>
>> It's what Lucas has said.
>
> Is what Lucas says canon?

I don't know. Let's ask him.
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