Re: FT's true timing - Q-S-Q

<Ronald H. Nicholson>; "Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> michael champion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >"Warren J. Dew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> >> Out of curiousity, are you referring to Andrew Sinkinson with Lorraine,
or
> >are
> >> you referring to his dancing with more recent partners?  I find the two
> >quite
> >> different.
> >
> >Yes, I am referring to the Japanese teaching tape with Andrew and
Lorraine
> >(very early in his career). And the second Gleave tape (where he
describes
> >Fox Trot technique in some detail).
>
> For those of us without access to the video tapes in question, it might
> be interesting to post some actual frame counts of the FT steps in
> question.  If the floor can be seen clearly on a video, I like to mark
> the frame count at which each foot starts and stops moving, plus the
> count at which the feet pass or collect, and the count at peak rise and
> at minimum lowering.
>
> These numbers are pretty close to objective data (with standard
> measurement and quantization errors).  Without floor pressure sensors,
> and microphones placed the same distance from the rhythm sound sources
> as the dancers, when a "step" occurs after a foot stops moving
> seems to be subjective data.

Not really. The end of a step is when the free leg (above the knee) draws
naturally underneath the body. It is the "point of collection" which the
body weight is entirely committed to the new leg. Granted, in terms of
hundreds of seconds of time it would be subjective, but with many dancers
that point is easily observable with in a few
tenths of a second. I haven't viewed either tape in a while, but I am sure
that I can find them and will see how easily it would be to do this.
However, it is possible that both Gleave and Sinkinson have rethought their
Fox Trot timing, and have made it more "like the book". On the tapes both
danced to standard Fox Trots rather than the more interpretive (some might
even say questionable!) material Sinkinson began to use for exhibitions
later in his career.

The same is definitely true of the Hiltons. I was fortunate enough to be on
the practice floor with them back in 1994 (I think) at the USBC, and they
were apparently working on a different approach to their dance. One of the
judges there remarked that they had recently been working with Peter
Eggleton, and had changed much of their dancing.  And this was at a time
when they were the current World champions! This might also have been the
year when Sinkinson and Hilton exchanged partners during the team match.

MLC
>
> Thanks.
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> Ron Nicholson   rhn AT nicholson DOT com   http://www.nicholson.com/rhn/
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