Re: new Superboy and Legion

Dan McEwen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
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> >> No, but that's got to be the idea.  I think one difference is that
> >> Darkseid is immobile at the moment and his servants are all among
> >> the living (except maybe the robot-looking GL).  It seems like
> >> there's some version of the JLA around, given that we have Superman,
> >> Hawkman, GL, and Firestorm(?).  The presence of Orion and Big Barda
> >> is a little odd, and there are some others I don't recognize. 
> > 
> > Orion and Big Barda fit perfectly, since they're both New Gods.  
> 
> Except that they're enemies of Darkseid.  Orion does fit a little
> better, being Darkseid's son, but I meant they didn't fit with the JLA
> motif that was going.  Of course, there was that thing that looked like
> it stepped out of Alien, so I guess the theme doesn't work so well. 

Ah, but they do fit the JLA motif, since they're both former JLA
members.  And they fit very well with the clone theme.  That's part of
the twisted logic of the Darkness Rising storyline, having clones of
former enemies serving Darkseid, corrupting their legacy....

>  
> >> Like I said, I don't think we're seeing twisted clones this time
> >> around.  We know some parademons brought a young Clark Kent to 31st
> >> century Apokolips.  Now he's fighting for Darkseid.  
> > 
> > I don't think so...there's no reason to think that that's actually
> > him.  They seem like darker, twisted versions of the heroes.  Like
> > the clones from the original storyline.  Check out Darkseid's Martian
> > Manhunter...
> 
> Is that what that black thing with the tail was?  If clones were all
> they were after, why bother bringing them to the 31st century?  Some
> skin samples are all that's needed.  I had the feeling that it's really
> them, twisted by Apokolips technology. 
>  
> >> > Anyhoo....it seems pretty obvious to me (I could be wrong, but I
> >> > don't think I am) that this story is an homage/retelling of that
> >> > one. 
> >> >  Clark was taken to Apokalips in the future to be cloned and it
> >> >  looks 
> >> > like a bunch of other JLA members have some dark clones as
> >> > well....Firestorm, Orion, Barda, GL, Hawkman...
> >> 
> >> Why make an assumption of cloning?  I think it's fairly likely that
> >> we'll discover these are the real deal.
> > 
> > I don't see why that's likely... but maybe I'm reading too much into
> > it being like the original storyline.  The only thing that might make
> > me doubt the cloning theory is Kid Quantum's weird time anomolies. 
> > But I'm kind of chalking that up to the way Superboy appeared and her
> > connection to the quantum field...
> 
> What I think is going to happen is a change in the Legion's foundation.
>  Note that where there were once religions revolving around Valor, they
> now seem to be centered on Superman and Superboy (who they don't seem
> to distinguish as separate beings).


I think the Valor religions are still in continuity, that's why he
uses the name M'onel.  If I remember, the LSH faked a destruction of
the phantom zone portal generator so that people would think that he
wasn't coming back.  Just a nit, Cos mentions that the idealizing of
Superman is a secular thing, more a philosophy than a religion, like
being into Sartre or Plato...