Re: LOTR and 20th Century Western European Prejudices

"Jim Cambias" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (phil hunt) wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 00:46:20 -0700, Brandon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> From European point of view, it was Europeans who
> > >> fought to keep US nuts from getting into the fire at all.
> > >> Two sides to every story.
> > >
> > >You have completely lost me.  Absent U.S. involvement in
> > >European politics and warfare in the 20th Century, Europe
> > >would now be languishing under either fascist tyranny or
> > >communist tyranny.
> >
> > This is unlikely. The Entente powers would have almost certainly won
> > WW1 without American involvement. The Nazis would proably never have
> > existed. Our WW2 wouldn't have happened; though it's possible that
> > some analog might have.
>
> These are really weird statements.  The Entente powers who were on the
> verge of collapse in 1918 would have suddenly won despite the loss of
> Russia?  Unlikely, to put it mildly.

Not necessarily.  The other side were in serious trouble too, I don't think
its all that unlikely that they would have collapsed first.

> The second is even weirder:  if the US hadn't gotten involved in World War
> II the Nazis would have retroactively ceased to exist?

Facism would have probably been popular anyway.  But with a more equitable
resolution to WW2 the festering boil that was Versailles might not have been
so extreme.

Dave