Re: TTT EE is a fantastic improvement

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> In rec.arts.books.tolkien Aris Katsaris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> : <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> :> In rec.arts.books.tolkien cassandras morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des
> : anges <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> :> :> They knew far more about it than Merry and Pippin did.  Why
> :> :> did Treebeard not act before the hobbits arrived?   Why did
> :> :> he act after the hobbits arrived?  It all seems somewhat random.
> :>
> :> : didnt gandlaf point out that it only take one small stone to start an
> : avalance
> :>
> :> : the stone isnt the avalanche
> :> : just the trigger
> :>
> :> Why were they a stone?  That is my question.  They did not tell
> :> the Ents anything they did not know before.  Why would the
> :> appearance of two Hobbits suddenly motivate them to go to war?
>
> : Mainly they act as nothing but the catalyst to start Treebeard discussing
> : and therefore thinking about Saruman. The more he talked about him,
> : the more he realized something had to be done, and therefore wakes
> : from his complacency.
>
> : The rise of the Ents is often paralleled with an awakening in the book --
> : Gandalf explicitely says "The Ents are going to wake up and find that
> : they are strong."
>
> : So... no new knowledge, just an opportunity for Treebeard to wake up
> : and have him rally up the rest of them...
>
> Why did Gandalf not just talk to Treebeard himself then?

Gandalf in the book explains that "I did not speak, for I was
heavy with thought and weary after my struggle with the Eye
of Mordor"

> Rousing the Ents should have
> been one of his primary goals,

More primary than healing Theoden?

> especially if it could be done
> so easily.

And how would he know that? By the time that Gandalf *says*
the Ents will be waking, it is already happening and the forest
is filled with their anger -- he says that Merry and Pippin are
the pebble that begins the avalanche, but he speaks about something
that has pretty much already happened.

So how could he know that the Ents would wake up before it
happened -- unless using his foresight, in which case he could
also know that Merry and Pippin were sufficient for this task and
Gandalf himself not needed?

Aris Katsaris