Re: (Next to no) discussion on extended version of TTT?

"Smaug69" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> "Aris Katsaris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > They could have equally well chosen to make "Voice of Saruman" or
> > "The Palantir" the climax of the Rohan storyline. Which would also be
> > more accurate to the book, and more accurate to Tolkien's own wishes
> > who said that the battle of Hornburg could be left out of an adaptation
> > if there didn't exist enough time to give all parts of the story revolving
it
> > justice.
>
> Leave Helm's Deep out of an adaptation? I admire Tolkien tremendously,
> but that would be just silly. It is an event that runs concurrent with
> the Ents' destruction of Isengard and showcases the ruin of Saruman
> and the triumph of Rohan and Theoden.

Given how Hornburg was "just a battle", Tolkien didn't consider it as
important to depict in length as the Ent storyline was.

> > So in this case the producers are justifying a change (moving Shelob to
> > movie 3) only through another change (their making Helm's Deep
> > the "climax", unlike in the book) -- which I've *not* yet heard justified.
>
> The justification for moving Shelob to ROTK was because in the story's
> timeline Gandalf had already been in Minas Tirith for three days.

I beg your pardon? That was the justification? A silly sticking-to-timeline
issue when they hadn't stuck to the timeline in any other respect?

> > They could have chosen to show Faramir as first deferring judgment of this
> > grave matter to his father -- and giving him a chance to "grow" by having
> > him take the decision to let Frodo and Sam go, once he realizes it'll
corrupt
> > and madden Denethor and his entire city.
>
> I think the extended edition shows that is exactly what Faramir was
> doing. He was taking this powerful weapon to his father not only so
> that Gondor could wield it against the enemy, but also that maybe his
> father might actually begin to appreciate Faramir's contribution to
> the safety, welfare and future of Gondor.

As I said in previous posts, that's personal gain alongside the national one
- not an indication that Faramir doesn't judge his wisdom or authority
sufficiently on this issue, and he therefore defers it to Denethor.

Aris Katsaris