Re: Could Smaug have averted the War of the Ring? <gulp>

In rec.arts.books.tolkien Stan Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in 
: rec.arts.books.tolkien, Mark Kicksee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>Generally only mortals 
:>(men, hobbits, orcs) are rendered invisible by the rings, while 
:>immortals (elves, wizards, Tom Bombadil, dark lords) are not. 

: Where do you read that Orcs are made invisible by the rings? I'm 
: unaware of any such passage, but would like to extend my knowledge.

I believe in the drafts it mentions goblin wraiths, as well as
Elvish wraiths.  Tolkien changed his mind a lot about the
Rings however, so I do not know if this really tells us
much about what his final thoughts on the matter were.

Gollum thought the Ring would turn Orcs invisible, which
was a reasonable assumption for him to make, but still an
assumption.

Stephen