Re: mahou shojou final fantasy

"Jorge Pratt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
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>> > <shrug2> So kill them, then. Nobody's saying you can't, just that
>> > you don't *need* to. The point is, you don't have to go hunting
>> > for 
>>
>> Not only do you not "need to", you get WEAKER by so doing.
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> <boggle> I don't recall getting weaker, just that the regular
> enemies levelled up just the same as Squall. Same thing happened in
> FFT, actually. 

The enemies' stats level up faster than yours (unless you do an end-run 
around the system by learning every single stat-increaser-at-level-up GF 
skill, and then equip them all to one "level-up-character" at a time) so 
you get weaker in comparison.

If you absolutely MUST have a "can't level up" system, then it should be 
done like Chrono Cross.  Besides, it's not like you couldn't run around 
tediously fighting to get ungodly powerfil in FFVIII...you just weren't 
doing it through level-building.

>> > grunt enemies again and again just so your characters grow in
>> > power. 
>>
>> Very few good RPGs force you to do that.
> 
> FF1 and 4 among them :P

Well, yes, if you consider them good RPGs.  ;p
 
>> > As for earning AP to learn the better Junction skills, you can do
>> > a bit of creative exploration and never have to actually "level
>> > up." Since FF1, 4, 5, 6 and 9 do require lots of levelling-up to
>> > avoid 
>>
>> Baloney.  You most certainly do not in FF6, which can be beaten
>> with contemptuous ease just by running straight through the game. 
>> Stopping to get the optionals is just if you want to kill Kefka in
>> one round. 
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> Um, just so we're on the same level, what do you mean by
> "optionals"? Since the World of Ruin turns into a nonlinear mess

Everything in the World of Ruin aside from getting back the characters 
you had before.

> (and I say that as a compliment) you can count everything except
> getting Edgar, Setzer and the Falcon an "optional sidequest." And if
> you're not sufficiently levelled-up, Phunbaba and the Behemoth Lord
> will kick you three ways from Sunday when you try to get Terra and
> Shadow/Relm. 

<shrug> I never had the slightest difficulty with FFVI, even when I 
didn't bother to level up.  As I said, the main benefit to level-up that 
I could see was turning Celes into a unbeatable god who could kill Kefka 
by herself.
 
> For me, the part that involved the most "levelling-up" was getting
> someone, anyone, to learn Life3 so I could avoid a cheap death atop
> the Fanatics' Tower.
> 
>> Nor did 9 require levelling up, at least through the first two
>> discs. 
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> It does if you want to be remotely strong enough to face Kuja. I had
> to go dragon-hunting near Daguerreo so I wouldn't be dispatched
> messily by the Disc 3 bosses.

I'll eventually go back and finish the game, and I'll see then. ;p
 
>> > getting slaughtered in battle, FF8 and 10 demonstrate that pacing
>> > and strategic combat can avoid that almost entirely.
>>
>> <shrug> I hate FF8 for it's plot and characters.  But it's asinine
>> "level-ups are useless and make you weaker" system doesn't help. 
>> Lunar has a similar system, but it's implemented RIGHT: the enemies
>> level up too so there's still challenge, but levelling up still
>> makes you, overall, better.
> 
> Damn, I have both Lunars, but haven't had time to play them. >-<

*pat pat*
 
> The Zephyr
> (I'd really like to play Valkyrie Profile too, but that one's out of
> print.) 

I have that.  It's quite good, but the necessary levelling up (there's 
that again!) to make decent Einherjar can be very tedious, especially on 
Hard Mode.

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