Re: [OT][STRIPS] Great quotes . . .

"Fish Eye no Miko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
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> "Blade" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>> "Fish Eye no Miko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
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>> > Ok, you know what?  Instead of going 'round and 'round
>> > about this, let me tell you why it pissed me off so much:
>> > I'm a  fan of a lot of "nerdy" things; anime, comics, fantasy,
>> > etc.  Most of the fans of these things appear to be male.
>> > Of course, reading about it, you'd thing there ARE no
>> > women in these fandoms.  How often has AS talked about
>> > how "hot" <insert female character's name> is?  Talked
>> > about a female character's breasts?  What about the
>> > "Have you ever had an alien girlfreind?" thing (No, I've
>> > never has one, being, ya know.. a straight woman).  And
>> > the recent thing about _Reign_ supposedly "For the
>> > ladies..." Well, congratulations, you finally noticed! I see
>> > "polls" on this and other "fannish" ngs about, "Would you
>> > like to have sex with <insert female character's name>?"
>> > And don't give me that BS that "Gee, maybe they're also
>> > talking to lesbian women!" (yeah, right). And as for, "Well,
>> > they're only addressing the guys."  Really?  Then why is
>> > that not prefaced with "For the guys" or something?
>> > Without that, it does feel like they are addressing the
>> > whole ng, and assuming that we're all staight men.  Not to
>> > mention the many posts and threads about female
>> > characters' anatomy, etc. It's extremely disheartening be in
>> > a fandom and watching fellow fans reducing women to
>> > body parts, and ignoring the existence of female fans
>> > altogether.  So, into all this comes you with this "great"
>> > quote, that, frankly, just feels like more of the crap I deal
>> > with all the time in these fandoms.
>> > It was just the straw that broke the camel's back.
>>
>> Catherine, you are, of course, right.  I feel for you, honestly,
>> because I think that in many ways it would really stink to be
>> a woman in this hobby, and that's a big reason why.
>> Unfortunately, that's also the way of the world.
> 
> Yes, I've noticed. Having lived on this planet for 33 years, I've
> noticed it's not the most "female friendly" place.

On the bright side, it's better then it was not so long ago.

>> I get a similar sort of feeling every time some American  here
>> makes comments with the implicit assumption that everyone
>> else is also American; I get it in real life when people assume
>> I'm Christian.
> 
> Indeed.  Most people in my family are, so they assume I am, too...
> 
>> That's just the way it goes, however, when you're in the
>> minority.  It's aggravating, but the majority is always going to
>> contain a bunch of jerks, just because it IS the majority and
>> statistical probability indicates a large number of jerks and
>> people who are fairly thoughtless.
>> It's not even just the fans...
> 
> ...As I stated above, with my comments about AS.

Sorry for repeating, I was trying to go with my train of thought. ^^;
 
>> plenty of otherwise perfectly good anime and manga
> 
> And fan magazines, and comics, and tv shows, and movies, and...

And pretty much everything else, yes.
 
>>  contains elements that are obviously thrown in to entice
>> males, and serve no purpose besides that.  Relatively
>> few have the same thing for females (yes, there's Utena
>> and Weiss Kreuz and Fushigi Yuugi,
>> BUT...they're still very much the minority).
> 
> Yeah.
> 
>> But unfortunately, that's also just life.
> 
> Again, you ain't telling me what I doon't already know.
> 
>> You can ask people to think a  little more, and some will,
>> but there'll always be more people that don't.  I don't want
>> you to give up, because I enjoy your contributions to this
>> group,
> 
> Don't worry, I'm mot going anywhere.  ^_^

Well, that's good. ;p
 
>> but I'm afraid you're really aggravating yourself to no  avail,
>> because this attitude is never going to change as long as men
>> remain the vast majority of anime fans
> 
> So, what do you suggest I do?  Just stay quiet about it till it bugs
> the hell out of me and I wanna break something?

Well, on that again in a minute.
 
>> (of course, these attitudes contribute to that situation, no
>> doubt).  I think it's great you try to fight it, but is it really
>> worth getting this frustrated about?
> 
> Well,
> 1.  It's not like I can choose NOT to be frustrated by it.

Ehhh, people can usually, if they try, take a step back from the 
situation and consciously relax.

> 2.  Do I think the complete erasure of my whole gender from
> discussions of my hobbies is worth getting frustrated about?  Hell. 
> Yes. 

If it didn't accomplish something, it wouldn't be.  At least not in my 
opinion.  But...
 
>> I'm  afraid I just don't think it will do you, or the situation,
>> any good.
> 
> I disagree--just bringing it up, instead of keeping it in, has made
> me feel better.

...on the other hand, if bringing it up makes you feel better instead of 
worse, then more power to you.  Yay for therapeutic ranting!  ;p  I was 
mostly concerned that you were going to get MORE angry instead of less.

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