Re: [OT][STRIPS] Great quotes . . .

"Blade" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> "Fish Eye no Miko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
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> > Ok, you know what?  Instead of going 'round and 'round
> > about this, let me tell you why it pissed me off so much:
> > I'm a  fan of a lot of "nerdy" things; anime, comics, fantasy,
> > etc.  Most of the fans of these things appear to be male.
> > Of course, reading about it, you'd thing there ARE no
> > women in these fandoms.  How often has AS talked about
> > how "hot" <insert female character's name> is?  Talked
> > about a female character's breasts?  What about the
> > "Have you ever had an alien girlfreind?" thing (No, I've
> > never has one, being, ya know.. a straight woman).  And
> > the recent thing about _Reign_ supposedly "For the
> > ladies..." Well, congratulations, you finally noticed! I see
> > "polls" on this and other "fannish" ngs about, "Would you
> > like to have sex with <insert female character's name>?"
> > And don't give me that BS that "Gee, maybe they're also
> > talking to lesbian women!" (yeah, right). And as for, "Well,
> > they're only addressing the guys."  Really?  Then why is
> > that not prefaced with "For the guys" or something?
> > Without that, it does feel like they are addressing the
> > whole ng, and assuming that we're all staight men.  Not to
> > mention the many posts and threads about female
> > characters' anatomy, etc. It's extremely disheartening be in
> > a fandom and watching fellow fans reducing women to
> > body parts, and ignoring the existence of female fans
> > altogether.  So, into all this comes you with this "great"
> > quote, that, frankly, just feels like more of the crap I deal
> > with all the time in these fandoms.
> > It was just the straw that broke the camel's back.
>
> Catherine, you are, of course, right.  I feel for you, honestly,
> because I think that in many ways it would really stink to be
> a woman in this hobby, and that's a big reason why.
> Unfortunately, that's also the way of the world.

Yes, I've noticed. Having lived on this planet for 33 years, I've noticed
it's not the most "female friendly" place.

> I get a similar sort of feeling every time some American  here
> makes comments with the implicit assumption that everyone
> else is also American; I get it in real life when people assume
> I'm Christian.

Indeed.  Most people in my family are, so they assume I am, too...

> That's just the way it goes, however, when you're in the
> minority.  It's aggravating, but the majority is always going to
> contain a bunch of jerks, just because it IS the majority and
> statistical probability indicates a large number of jerks and
> people who are fairly thoughtless.
> It's not even just the fans...

...As I stated above, with my comments about AS.

> plenty of otherwise perfectly good anime and manga

And fan magazines, and comics, and tv shows, and movies, and...

>  contains elements that are obviously thrown in to entice
> males, and serve no purpose besides that.  Relatively
> few have the same thing for females (yes, there's Utena
> and Weiss Kreuz and Fushigi Yuugi,
> BUT...they're still very much the minority).

Yeah.

> But unfortunately, that's also just life.

Again, you ain't telling me what I doon't already know.

> You can ask people to think a  little more, and some will,
> but there'll always be more people that don't.  I don't want
> you to give up, because I enjoy your contributions to this
> group,

Don't worry, I'm mot going anywhere.  ^_^

> but I'm afraid you're really aggravating yourself to no  avail,
> because this attitude is never going to change as long as men
> remain the vast majority of anime fans

So, what do you suggest I do?  Just stay quiet about it till it bugs the
hell out of me and I wanna break something?

> (of course, these attitudes contribute to that situation, no
> doubt).  I think it's great you try to fight it, but is it really
> worth getting this frustrated about?

Well,
1.  It's not like I can choose NOT to be frustrated by it.
2.  Do I think the complete erasure of my whole gender from discussions of
my hobbies is worth getting frustrated about?  Hell.  Yes.

> I'm  afraid I just don't think it will do you, or the situation,
> any good.

I disagree--just bringing it up, instead of keeping it in, has made me feel
better.

Catherine Johnson.
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